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Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by _dain_ »

chimprich wrote: post #291
benjaminwootton wrote: post #194

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They banned a large Covid sub r/NoNewNormal where the bulk of the content would be accepted as common sense today. Themes in that sub were that “the cure is worse than the disease” (it was) and that “we shouldn’t throw away our way of life for Covid” (we chose not to in hindsight). If you are a member of subs like r/lockdownskepticism even today then you frequently get banned from other subs.

"Common sense" indeed. That subreddit was a hotbed of unscientific anti-vaccine lies. However, it was actually banned for breaking Reddit rules on brigading. https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsecurity/comments/pfyqqn/covi... Quote: Claims of “brigading” are common and often hard to quantify. However, in this case, we found very clear signals indicating that r/NoNewNormal was the source of around 80 brigades in the last…

no, this is BS. pretty much every big political sub does "brigading" against other subs, it's impossible to stop. a handful of bad actors can ruin it for everyone. reddit admins apply the anti-brigading rules selectively. there are big subs that have gotten away with it forever.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by auggierose »

JohnFen wrote: post #411
auggierose wrote: post #378

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Hmmh, so why do so many people complain about paying for all the different streaming services like Disney plus, Netflix, Amazon prime, etc.? It's really peanuts compared to the value delivered.

"Value" is a very personal thing, though. You may find something is great value for money, and others may not, and neither is wrong. Personally, I don't find that the streaming services are good value. I don't complain about it, though. I just don't subscribe to them. Also, buying services doesn't satisfy the "shopping as a recreational activity" itch. A big part of the recreation is the actual shopping, and coming h…

That's true. And that's why people having enough money is not an alternative solution to software / digital content financed by ads.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by carlosjobim »

account42 wrote: post #232
carlosjobim wrote: post #198

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Search your recipes on YouTube. It is a better way of getting the information and higher quality. Edit: To the friendly people downvoting me: Try for yourself and you'll be surprised how much good and informative content you can find on YouTube.

No thanks, not going to watch a whole video to get an overview of what I need to prepare.

If you're already adept or not looking into things that are challenging to you, then you might just need a list of ingredients. If somebody who has never cooked needs to dice onions for the dish and doesn't know how to do that, YouTube will help much more than any text. There are so many things and aspects that we don't have vocabulary for and is just faster showing.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by comfypotato »

grumpy_coder wrote: post #369
davidkuennen wrote: post #355

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I would think they apply their normal algorithms. If it's a good article that's upvoted a lot, it should also be linked in some places and thus get a higher search score.

Though it's not finding the article. It's finding a link to the article on Reddit. I hope people aren't linking to the Reddit thread...

The way the original pagerank algorithm works, links to the original article would increase the score of a Reddit post linking to the article. Why Reddit posts are ranked higher in a default search I’m not sure, but this would definitely explain why site:Reddit works.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by freediver »

pmlnr wrote: post #419
JackMorgan wrote: post #120

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I feel like the results from Kagi are pretty great. I tend to get what I'm looking for in the top few results.

> Kagi Search requires an account only because it is a paid service which requires an account for the transaction. Right. Definite "no".

Curious what would you do if you created an ad-free search engine?

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by stockhorn »

DeathArrow wrote: post #62

I have an idea: a search engine where a team of humans adds what website they deem important and also ranks it. Website owners who aren't in the index and want to submit their site, pay a small fee. The result would be no SEO, no content farms and highly relevant content. I don't think the algorithms and even AI will ever keep track with people who try to game the engines for profits.

Why not let all of humanity upvote/downvote each website and flag sites as seo-spam, content-farm if needed?

We could use a web of trust, combined with gov-id verification to ensure no bots/AIs manipulate the votes...

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by euos »

GeekyBear wrote: post #316
marginalia_nu wrote: post #254

I don't know if it's Google that is dying. It's more like a large segment of the public facing internet is wilting. The user experience without an adblocker is almost nothing but ads, popovers, permission requests and chat boxes, sign-up-to-the-newsletter requests. And these are the websites that aren't trying to bait-and-switch you For example, this is the screen I'm showed when I navigate to www.producthunt.com: ht…

> I don't know if it's Google that is dying. I tried to use Google to see what would be good brand to replace a decade old small electrical appliance that failed a couple of months ago. Absolutely none of the results were helpful until I tried the "append Reddit to the search terms" trick. Immediately, I found a link someone had shared to a consumer reports style review of different brands at different price points.…

It's just the state of the web. Google search uses metrics for the web sites (number of links, etc) so Reddit threads do not rank high compared to real web sites.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by thefourthchime »

moffkalast wrote: post #133
projektfu wrote: post #98

"How do I fix some odd setting in Windows, Mac, whatever" 2007: results include documentation, a couple forums, if you're unlucky there's a potentially malware tool that's discovered people need to fix this. 2012: results include Reddit and Stack Exchange, documentation has disappeared, forums have opened that are full of "support specialists" telling you to reset your windows install. 2023: top results are just blog…

> forums have opened that are full of "support specialists" telling you to reset your windows install God this is such a pet peeve, those stupid Microsoft forums especially where the customer reps spend 80% of the comment apologizing and wishing a good day and suggest fuck all. They ought to just pull the plug on the site and let reddit handle their support for free.

Apple's official support website is the same. 100% useless feedback from the "Support Specialist". Yet it always shows up at the top of the search result.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by thefourthchime »

tokinonagare wrote: post #8
tzhenghao wrote: post #2

> The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust. Reddit was also partly successful in that regard because it catered to niche communities who ask the most interesting questions and, trolls aside, responses from the community that's generally trustworthy. There are literally subreddits with discussions on solutions that are deemed better than what you get from customer support. Reddit als…

> Reddit was Yes, it was somewhat good in the past but an alternative is sorely needed. Most popular subs (at least the one I frequent) are moderated to the point that censored would be the more appropriate word to describe the situation. Then there are whole subs banned (including non political) for wrongthink.

It's getting a lot worse I agree. It seems like anything that might be offensive to anyone having any emotions under any circumstance is now blurred and labeled "NSFW".
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