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Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by JohnFen »

auggierose wrote: post #378
JohnFen wrote: post #374

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Most people in the US love spending money. It's considered a recreational activity.

Hmmh, so why do so many people complain about paying for all the different streaming services like Disney plus, Netflix, Amazon prime, etc.? It's really peanuts compared to the value delivered.

"Value" is a very personal thing, though. You may find something is great value for money, and others may not, and neither is wrong.

Personally, I don't find that the streaming services are good value. I don't complain about it, though. I just don't subscribe to them.

Also, buying services doesn't satisfy the "shopping as a recreational activity" itch. A big part of the recreation is the actual shopping, and coming home with physical stuff.

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Post by Havoc »

Real question is how is reddit's own search still so utterly useless despite sitting on a treasure trove of high quality info (comparatively speaking)

I'm literally navigating away from reddit, then doing a site:reddit.com google search to go back to reddit

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Post by carlosjobim »

kjs3 wrote: post #386
carlosjobim wrote: post #198

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Search your recipes on YouTube. It is a better way of getting the information and higher quality. Edit: To the friendly people downvoting me: Try for yourself and you'll be surprised how much good and informative content you can find on YouTube.

You're getting downvoted because those of us who have tried for ourselves often find videos vastly less useful, efficient or relevant than a bit of text. Especially in the world of the 'influencer'. Now you have half a video pimping their dozens of YouRedTwitTok accounts you just have to click on, the other influencers they're mutually shoveling traffic to, the products they're being paid to pimp...and if you're luck…

We all have to sift. No matter if the content is text, video or audio. If I'm undertaking a project of some magnitude - like cooking a new dish or changing my brakes - then I don't mind spending a little time to find the highest quality information. And for many things, that will be inside a YouTube video. Even if you have 100 million low quality content creators, you have at least a million high quality content creators.

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Post by gniv »

Gigachad wrote: post #47
kstenerud wrote: post #7

The worst is the SEO pages, especially for popular how-to topics. Every single first page result will be a page that has expanded what used to be said in bullet point form, into a 1500 word essay that you must now slog through in order to get the information you need. And this is by necessity, because Google values prose over bullet points. The majority of things that come up on search nowadays consist of computer-ge…

Literally anything google values will be abused and ruin the internet. If they valued shortness then everything would be trimmed to bullet points removing useful info. The problem is really not that google is doing a bad job, it’s that the incentives to get views on pages ruins the internet.

> Literally anything google values will be abused and ruin the internet.

That is true to the extent that the "anything" is only a proxy for quality. Keywords, reputation, etc are all proxies.

But now with these AI models Google should be able to assess the true value of a page. Does it provide useful information? In what area? Etc. Then invert that in order to answer queries. I really hope this is where page ranking is headed.

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Post by thefourthchime »

j_crick wrote: post #130
kstenerud wrote: post #7

The worst is the SEO pages, especially for popular how-to topics. Every single first page result will be a page that has expanded what used to be said in bullet point form, into a 1500 word essay that you must now slog through in order to get the information you need. And this is by necessity, because Google values prose over bullet points. The majority of things that come up on search nowadays consist of computer-ge…

And the worst of SEO pages are cooking recipes, where you have to scroll down screens of badly written meaningless text before you actually get to ingredients list. At least Google still keeps indexing recipe microformats.

It's so bad someone wrote a Chrome Extension to just give you the dang recipe. It was posted here a while back.

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Post by happypumpkin »

auggierose wrote: post #378
JohnFen wrote: post #374

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Most people in the US love spending money. It's considered a recreational activity.

Hmmh, so why do so many people complain about paying for all the different streaming services like Disney plus, Netflix, Amazon prime, etc.? It's really peanuts compared to the value delivered.

Eh it was great value when it was just Netflix or just two services but now I feel like there's often only 0-1 shows on a given platform that I'm interested in at any one time. It isn't "good value" to pay $15+ a month each for Netflix/Prime/Disney/HBO/Hulu/AppleTV and only use one or two of them in a given month. Because Prime Video is bundled with regular Amazon Prime I keep that active and activate and deactivate the others based on when they come out with seasons of shows I care to watch. I also think a lot of complaints are about the platforms increasingly making the experience worse like making me pay to remove ads when I'm already paying for the service, or what Netflix is pulling with their family plans.

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Post by marginalia_nu »

auggierose wrote: post #378
JohnFen wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people in the US love spending money. It's considered a recreational activity.

Hmmh, so why do so many people complain about paying for all the different streaming services like Disney plus, Netflix, Amazon prime, etc.? It's really peanuts compared to the value delivered.

I think it depends. All else being equal in terms of your daily commute, owning a big and expensive car is often seen as better than owning a more affordable smaller car.

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Post by pmlnr »

JackMorgan wrote: post #120
pmlnr wrote: post #114

It's not just Google, it's all of them. DDG used to be rather decent, now it's ONLY return "X best Y" when I'm searching for anything.

I feel like the results from Kagi are pretty great. I tend to get what I'm looking for in the top few results.

> Kagi Search requires an account only because it is a paid service which requires an account for the transaction.

Right. Definite "no".

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Post by bitxbitxbitcoin »

Jensson wrote: post #372
bitxbitxbitcoin wrote: post #363

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Like giving Reddit a higher “page score” than other websites?

No, I mean why does it find the right reddit thread instead any of the billions of other reddit threads? That can't be trivial to do since reddit themselves don't do it well.

Gotcha. Google search ranking threads versus Reddit search ranking threads.

I’d posit that Google counts the upvotes and other signals on the thread to calculate EAT or whatever.

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