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Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by brookst »

realjhol wrote: post #96
chimprich wrote: post #76

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> Then there are whole subs banned (including non political) for wrongthink I don't really like defending Reddit, because I don't like them as a company, but I don't think this is correct. There's a financial incentive for them to not ban subreddits, so groups have to behave quite obnoxiously or blatantly break Reddit's rules to get banned. Just having a certain political disagreement is not nearly enough. And if you…

> And if you disagree, please post some examples. The Donald

The poster child for vote manipulation? Where front page articles would have 5000 upvotes 10 minutes after posting? The sub that fetishized persecution despite receiving warning by after warning?

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by brookst »

tokinonagare wrote: post #238
dageshi wrote: post #151

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This point is always brought up and it has no relevance in terms of what we're discussing which boils down to opinions on products and services from people who have some expertise in the matter. You're not going to get banned from a hobby sub for asking a question on something related to a product in that hobby.

Try asking why Aragorn is a black man in the future LotR set on /r/magicTCG and see how long you can ask a question on something related to a product in that hobby after that. There are other swift ways to get ban, like noting that the body shape of some characters were changed drastically in-between old and newer cards. Basically anything going against the pandering of WotC to some twitter users.

So you’re saying they have little interest in entertaining someone who just wants to culture war? And that’s somehow bad?

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by brookst »

ilyt wrote: post #296
tokinonagare wrote: post #238

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Try asking why Aragorn is a black man in the future LotR set on /r/magicTCG and see how long you can ask a question on something related to a product in that hobby after that. There are other swift ways to get ban, like noting that the body shape of some characters were changed drastically in-between old and newer cards. Basically anything going against the pandering of WotC to some twitter users.

I got banned out of /r/games for asking "what rights trans people don't have that other humans do?" under post about someone yelling "trans rights are human rights" about Hogwart's legacy. Not being snarky at all, just curious (as I'm not from US and don't really get what the fuss is about). Still haven't got a coherent answer out of anyone I asked, just insults

I don’t think anyone would take you seriously enough to give a coherent answer if you’re echoing the language of the bigots, even just unintentionally. It’s like asking “why should black people be able to use the same restrooms?” during the civil rights movement. Even as a totally honest and not at all disingenuous question, it blends into the rhetoric of the reactionaries.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by brookst »

polski-g wrote: post #340
petesergeant wrote: post #30

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I would guess they have a huge problem with ad blocking

They need to make the ads and relevant HTML look identical to "real" posts so adblocking doesn't work

This devaluing content to humans, thus breaking what makes the site good.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by Dma54rhs »

carlosjobim wrote: post #209
arbuge wrote: post #188

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> have zero affiliate links (as they are hidden behind javascript) We have different definitions of zero I think...

Zero as far as the Google spider is concerned

Not true for very long, their scrapers do use js now and read the dom.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by CuriouslyC »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #249
moffkalast wrote: post #174

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Because the tiny niche audience isn't a cost effective marketing group? Advertisers want to maximize their reach and well, it's not like they know these groups even exist. I'm sure it happens a lot regardless, but the vast majority of content in those is still just from regular people. You can tell by the information posted as it tends to be more or less truthful and useful. Once it stops being that it'll be obvious…

>Because the tiny niche audience isn't a cost effective marketing group? A That's the magic of Reddit, 4Chan and every other cesspool where any niche is only a slight URL change away from any other niche. It's trivially easy to add niche subs 2, 3 and 4 to the list of places that you target.

Except that there is a culture of looking for and outing shills in a lot of subs, and since you can see someone's entire post history it's usually not hard to confirm or at least provide solid evidence for it once you suspect it. I had someone out an astroturfer who posted a banal non-response to one of my comments just the other day.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by thefourthchime »

schaefer wrote: post #371
marginalia_nu wrote: post #254

I don't know if it's Google that is dying. It's more like a large segment of the public facing internet is wilting. The user experience without an adblocker is almost nothing but ads, popovers, permission requests and chat boxes, sign-up-to-the-newsletter requests. And these are the websites that aren't trying to bait-and-switch you For example, this is the screen I'm showed when I navigate to www.producthunt.com: ht…

Try the search engine kagi.com It just works. Google stopped being a search company, and is an advertisement company now.

I tried my test search "California style burrito in Austin" and the first page was entirely reddit results. Clicking over to "map" resulted in a single wrong result.

phind.com and new bing do this better.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by CuriouslyC »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #95
Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #67

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But in the context of TFA - searching Reddit to get factual answers - what appears on the reddit.com front page from day to day is largely irrelevant, surely?

By extension, high-karma accounts that are run by marketing companies can post in a niche subreddit to subtly promote their product or disparage their competition, and they'll end up on the front page of that subreddit. They'll get a lot of views and a lot more engagement than the average unsophisticated user's post would -- and those astroturfed posts would, on average, rank higher in searches. This is analogous to…

Reddit bots are used for upvote manipulation of legitimate posts by brand ambassadors/etc. The post histories are just to make the bot look legitimate.
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