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Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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There's usually an app that tells you in real time when the bus will arrive, including possible congestion. When it's minutes away it's never early so it's not a problem. The bus is almost never early from the scheduled time because it's usually the minimum time. So the bus might be late, but at least it's not standing idly while you're already in it, intentionally wasting everyone's time. There's also a stop button…

So you think if a train driver happens to show up 30minutes earlier at the train station, a long distance train should just depart earlier, leaving all the passengers and people with connections stranded? Your comments are fascinating. Completely nonsense, but fascinating.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? It's not about when the driver arrives, it's about not standing intentionally with passengers wasting their time by design, in the middle of the road. I feel like I'm getting downvoted by people with reading comprehension level of bots.

It's better to have an optimistic schedule that sometimes gets late than a pessimistic schedule that always wastes everyone's time making pubic transport extremely slow in all circumstances.

It's not about the driver. It's about the passengers. It's about not stopping idly during your route with people on the bus. Buses aren't trains, they usually don't need to stop at all stations and the difference between stopping in all stations and not doing it is huge.

If your train schedule is so bad that a train, which has no traffic at all, can come 30 minutes early from schedule, then it could always do that and you're planning something wrong.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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It's not really that bad. Practically for most areas in Germany it can be available from May the 1st as an in-app only ticket. That is what matters. --- PS: No idea why anyone is discussion chip card, it's not an option. Every public transport system in Germany (should) have the capability to scan QR codes from APP or paper. Partially due to DB RE/RB/IC/ICE trickets having "include local transportation at start/desti…

What do you mean it's not an option? I already ordered the ticket as a chip card here in Berlin.

I did that now, too .... I seem to have had very wrong information.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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So you think if a train driver happens to show up 30minutes earlier at the train station, a long distance train should just depart earlier, leaving all the passengers and people with connections stranded? Your comments are fascinating. Completely nonsense, but fascinating.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? It's not about when the driver arrives, it's about not standing intentionally with passengers wasting their time by design, in the middle of the road. I feel like I'm getting downvoted by people with reading comprehension level of bots. It's better to have an optimistic schedule that sometimes gets late than a pessimistic schedule that always wastes everyone's time making p…

> Do you have reading comprehension problems?

No, I don't.

> it's about not standing intentionally with passengers wasting their time by design

If you've ever taken a train, you could know that they might arrive on the track even hours before their departure, and passengers who are early are often welcome board and get settled.

Now we have people inside that are just waiting instead of travelling… Exactly the situation you have been describing.

> I feel like I'm getting downvoted by people with reading comprehension level of bots.

No. The problem lies with the writer, not the readers.

> can come 30 minutes early from schedule

I'm curious to know where this number is coming. For city transport we are talking about 2-3 minutes.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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> In my opinion it should be somewhere between dirt cheap and free if your income is in the bottom 10% of incomes (and could cost twice as much for the top 50% True, for many people 49€/ month is still too expensive - e.g. low wage, low pension or living on welfare. In its current form, it's mostly a relief for the middle class living in areas with good public transportation. I'm definitely happy to pay just 49€ for…

>True, for many people 49€/ month is still too expensive But those people have to have means of transport at least to go to work. Even if they have a shitbox they pay more than that in gas and taxes. It's precisely for those people that this would be more beneficial. As a bonus, it would reduce the ENORMOUS externalities that come from car usage: pollution, congestion, space for parking, roads, etc.

That sounds logical. Somehow I fear the problem might be in convincing people of these facts.

Case in point: nuclear energy popularity in Germany

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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I earn enough to afford the current "BahnCard 100", but the pricing versus value is such that I'm not remotely considering it. That means that taking public transport is a hassle: - always need to buy a ticket: talk to a driver (who usually acts annoyed on behalf of the whole bus that you are holding up) or waste time trying to figure out ticket machines when you should be catching a connection; - always need to carr…

We have non of these problems in Switzerland, this is all just organizational. Buy the ticket at the bus station or use your phone. I don't know how often you do intermediate stops, that seem nice case to me. But even then, you just add 'via' when you book your ticket and that's it. Easy as pie. > - in many regions, you can't buy a ticket online via the national rail company, you need to separately deal with the loca…

> We have non of these problems in Switzerland, this is all just organizational.

Sorry if I came across differently, indeed I don't think any of these are unsolvable or inherent with public transport. The Netherlands and Germany each have strengths (the former a more convenient and reliable system in cities; the latter better service on the countryside), so clearly it can all be done.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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I use public transport to go to work. But it's not really convenient. It takes me about 45 minutes to get there. And that's if everything goes well. Half an hour of that is walking (to and from bus stops) and waiting (you should be several minutes early because busses sometimes leave early themselves, but most of the time they are late). So there's not much reading that can be done. Also, try reading while you're wai…

It's obviously not convenient for everyone - but no single measure is. I'd also cut down on your walking time by taking a bycicle - you could probably save 20 minutes by that alone. My wife also takes a bike ride to the train station (and she packs quite a few bags on the bike). Nonetheless - yes, there are situations in which cars are still way better.

It's also really bad for families. 200 euro per person (even if you only have, say 75 euro for kids) would be 600+ for a car. Not competitive with cars in many scenarios.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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What exactly do you mean like by “ I think it might make sense to create countries or places where people in the bottom 10% live with minimal conveniences, a place like Thailand when everything is cheap.” Like a “full service convenience place” for the part of society that doesn’t want to work and outsource that to a cheap third world country and make their population work at low cost for the unemployed of the first…

I think you'll have to read a couple of Ayn Rand novels to truly understand what they mean. But I think the gist of it can be reduced to: "I'm very smart and upset that I have to pay taxes. Also, I don't like it when I see homeless people, after all it's their own fault they provide no value and are therefore poor. Can't we just send them to Thailand where I went on holiday recently and the can of Pabst Blue Ribbon t…

Sun Rand would be a bit extreme, but you’re not too far off track.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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I disagree and it’s quite wrong for many European countries, for instance. The whole idea is that public transport would be preferable in terms of time, comfort and cost. It can be done, there is no technical challenge whatsoever, it’s all politics. In many cases traffic is so bad that cars are just as bad. But the key thing is to sacrifice / build lanes exclusive to public transport (busses) because those lanes effe…

I am in Europe and at country level public transport will never beat individual transport overall. In specific dense urban environments where cars can be extremely inconvenient (including because all the offices are packed in a few towers all at the same location), yes but again in the general case a bus will never be able to be as convenient as my own vehicle parked right outside my front door. And yes this is a tec…

Trading some convenience for a much better world in every conceivable metric is just more important.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Actually, in most cases it is unrealistically difficult to beat the convenience of public transport over private cars without MASSIVE infrastructure investments favoring cars. Being able to get places with cars requires a lot of things: roads, parking, traffic measures (signs, crossings, stoplights, onways, offramps, freeways, more parking at destination, etc etc etc). If you only build for public transport, bikes, a…

I'm not so sure about that. The subsidies that a functioning public transport requires every year are massive as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they exceeded the cost of extra infrastructure (roads, parking etc.) required by private cars.

Public transport would obviously need much less space and would be much more efficient. It’s the car sprawl that is unsustainable in every way.
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