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Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Where's the conflict? Do you think American and Chinese interests never align? And to be clear, I think large parts of Reddit is of no interest to government agencies.

> Do you think American and Chinese interests never align? You know that is impossible to prove or disprove so that argument is worthless.

I don't see Chinese communist party buying Reddit stocks as proof against US government agencies using Reddit to influence the population, that's what I mean.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Our attention is the only valuable thing left. Browsers run competing tech stacks and pile on and draw off a mass of blinking things trying to get the attention. It's a tiny little war happening in real time on our screens. AI chat things are liquids held in vials, a thumb flick away from pouring into our favorite places online, changing them irrevocably. Will our attention in these places (reddit, here, et al) remai…

> Our attention is the only valuable thing left. Browsers run competing tech stacks and pile on and draw off a mass of blinking things trying to get the attention. It's a tiny little war happening in real time on our screens. This seems fantastically counter-productive though. If you want to capture someone's attention, you've got to remove the distractions and clean up your presentation. The effort seems misplaced t…

It’s more about selling someone’s attention than holding it. The best possible outcome for both websites and Google is for a user to click on on a website from search and then immediately click on an ad. To the extent you find the site useful and don’t need what’s being advertised, that’s a fail for both of them.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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The worst is the SEO pages, especially for popular how-to topics. Every single first page result will be a page that has expanded what used to be said in bullet point form, into a 1500 word essay that you must now slog through in order to get the information you need. And this is by necessity, because Google values prose over bullet points. The majority of things that come up on search nowadays consist of computer-ge…

Limit your search to Reddit, HN and/or Stack Exchange! I really loved the first paragraph of the article about Reddit: "Reddit is currently the most popular search engine. The only people who don’t know that are the team at Reddit". I want to add this that just happened at my company, that shows really bad execution on the Reddit side. Bad as if the current Reddit management is surfing tiny waves in some paradise. Ou…

> "Reddit is currently the most popular search engine. The only people who don’t know that are the team at Reddit"

It's more that it's the current blogsphere. All those things that were there at the organic distributed web didn't completely go away, they just became walled, and Reddit is the only one with walls low enough to be discoverable.

It's not a search engine, it's only the place with a full link quality enumeration.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Because the tiny niche audience isn't a cost effective marketing group? Advertisers want to maximize their reach and well, it's not like they know these groups even exist. I'm sure it happens a lot regardless, but the vast majority of content in those is still just from regular people. You can tell by the information posted as it tends to be more or less truthful and useful. Once it stops being that it'll be obvious…

>Because the tiny niche audience isn't a cost effective marketing group? A That's the magic of Reddit, 4Chan and every other cesspool where any niche is only a slight URL change away from any other niche. It's trivially easy to add niche subs 2, 3 and 4 to the list of places that you target.

Yeah and then any mod with half a brain sees you're spamming things everywhere and bans you.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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> I imagine Google is in an awkward spot because, since ads is their bread and butter, they can't meaningfully penalize these websites without eating into their own bottom line. Many of the most intrusive ads are google ads. The fun thing is that NOT fixing this will kill them long term as well - they're like meth heads seeing how the drug is destroying their body and the short-term optimizing managers, C-suites and,…

Well how would you fix Google's predicament? I think it's easy enough to conclude they're harming themselves, but what are their options?

Their only Hope at long term viability is something like the wall between advertising and editorial at old school media companies. Yes, it’s fashionable to be jaded but it really did work that way.

Google needs its product people to not know or care about as revenue. They need to make search as efficient as possible, without regard for whether a good search result reduces ad clicks.

Revenue would go do, but not catastrophically. And they’d have a sustainable business that would be hard to disrupt.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Oh that's cool, didn't knew that amateur surgeons were a thing :)

You may also be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barber_surgeon "The barber surgeon, one of the most common European medical practitioners of the Middle Ages, was generally charged with caring for soldiers during and after battle. In this era, surgery was seldom conducted by physicians, but instead by barbers, who, possessing razors and coordination indispensable to their trade, were called upon for numero…

They were arguably professionals.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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I don't know if it's Google that is dying. It's more like a large segment of the public facing internet is wilting. The user experience without an adblocker is almost nothing but ads, popovers, permission requests and chat boxes, sign-up-to-the-newsletter requests. And these are the websites that aren't trying to bait-and-switch you For example, this is the screen I'm showed when I navigate to www.producthunt.com: ht…

So what about a search engine that penalises ads heavily? Would that not be interesting to companies like Wikipedia or Apple that don't need ads to survive? Sounds to me like such a search engine could gain market share rapidly. Is there such a search engine already out there?

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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To me all signs point to Reddit never having been a commercial venture, but rather an influence and propaganda machine for United States government agencies. So they already have their budget paid.

What are "all signs"? Shit you made up in your head? It's owned by China for godsakes, what a half-baked conspiracy theory

It’s well known that the US government outsourced psyops to China! Because, uh, you see, there are these lizard people…

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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I never understood how Reddit isn’t an advertising powerhouse. Their users literally voluntarily segregate by interest, but the proper tech never got built out. Last I checked they integrated a 3rd party solution for that.

I would guess they have a huge problem with ad blocking

They need to make the ads and relevant HTML look identical to "real" posts so adblocking doesn't work
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