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Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by chimprich »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #194
chimprich wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then there are whole subs banned (including non political) for wrongthink I don't really like defending Reddit, because I don't like them as a company, but I don't think this is correct. There's a financial incentive for them to not ban subreddits, so groups have to behave quite obnoxiously or blatantly break Reddit's rules to get banned. Just having a certain political disagreement is not nearly enough. And if you…

They banned a large Covid sub r/NoNewNormal where the bulk of the content would be accepted as common sense today. Themes in that sub were that “the cure is worse than the disease” (it was) and that “we shouldn’t throw away our way of life for Covid” (we chose not to in hindsight). If you are a member of subs like r/lockdownskepticism even today then you frequently get banned from other subs.

"Common sense" indeed. That subreddit was a hotbed of unscientific anti-vaccine lies. However, it was actually banned for breaking Reddit rules on brigading.

https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsecurity/comments/pfyqqn/covi...

Quote:

  Claims of “brigading” are common and often hard to quantify. However, in this case, we found very clear signals indicating that r/NoNewNormal was the source of around 80 brigades in the last 30 days (largely directed at communities with more mainstream views on COVID or location-based communities that have been discussing COVID restrictions). This behavior continued even after a warning was issued from our team to the Mods.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by ilyt »

AdamN wrote: post #206
000ooo000 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There's nothing wrong with a sub banning/censoring people. That's a critical part of having a trust value within a social network I would not characterise a community moulded according to the whims of a few anonymous individuals as high in trust.

I muted USA Today in Apple News recently because their filtering was below the bar (click bait headlines, low quality writing). I don't know who the editors are that are making their decisions but I no longer trust that outlet anymore. Channels with higher quality selection (Financial Times) now have more of my time because I trust them more based on previous decisions they have made (to show me fewer low quality art…

> I muted USA Today in Apple News recently because their filtering was below the bar (click bait headlines, low quality writing). I don't know who the editors are that are making their decisions but I no longer trust that outlet anymore.

YOU MUTED is the key here.

"Majority of subreddit didn't like it so it got downvoted" is somewhat democratic will of community.

You muted a user coz you don't want their content is personal choice.

Moderator choosing to do so on a whim is neither of those. You do need moderators coz some people won't behave but many times rules of subreddit are basically there so moderator can point to excuse on banning or removing whatever they don't like, not to ban something people don't want there.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by HWR_14 »

digitalsushi wrote: post #266
marginalia_nu wrote: post #254

I don't know if it's Google that is dying. It's more like a large segment of the public facing internet is wilting. The user experience without an adblocker is almost nothing but ads, popovers, permission requests and chat boxes, sign-up-to-the-newsletter requests. And these are the websites that aren't trying to bait-and-switch you For example, this is the screen I'm showed when I navigate to www.producthunt.com: ht…

Our attention is the only valuable thing left. Browsers run competing tech stacks and pile on and draw off a mass of blinking things trying to get the attention. It's a tiny little war happening in real time on our screens. AI chat things are liquids held in vials, a thumb flick away from pouring into our favorite places online, changing them irrevocably. Will our attention in these places (reddit, here, et al) remai…

Media companies pulling shows so quickly makes me sad. It's one of those cases where I think they constantly misread the data. "People don't watch shows with a long story arc as they come out, so we should cancel them" is really "people don't trust us to continue shows with a long story arc until a good stopping place, so they don't want to invest the time in starting new ones"

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by altdataseller »

dematz wrote: post #245
ilyt wrote: post #241

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> Reddit is currently the most popular search engine. The only people who don’t know that are the team at Reddit" Which is funny as builtin search is so utter shit you pretty much need to use google to find anything

Maybe this is giving reddit too much credit, but I do see people say "append reddit to searches" literally every time the topic of search is brought up, so what if reddit is aware people do that but doesn't want to be a search engine? Imagine you're one of the few remaining sources of human content on the Internet, and you look at the terrible cat and mouse game google plays forever with spam, you don't really envy i…

I disagree with that. It doesn't matter if Reddit doesn't want to be a search engine. People are already using it a search engine and they simply will never stop no matter what those ppl in Reddit are thinking. Better to embrace the search use case and make it search friendly.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by 100011_100001 »

I was telling my wife that internet of today is how p0rn sites looked in the late 90s. Popups, ads everywhere, miss-direction, can't go back, click this link to go here which might or might not take you there, links that look like site links but are actually ads.

It's making everything suck.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by ilyt »

tokinonagare wrote: post #238
dageshi wrote: post #151

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This point is always brought up and it has no relevance in terms of what we're discussing which boils down to opinions on products and services from people who have some expertise in the matter. You're not going to get banned from a hobby sub for asking a question on something related to a product in that hobby.

Try asking why Aragorn is a black man in the future LotR set on /r/magicTCG and see how long you can ask a question on something related to a product in that hobby after that. There are other swift ways to get ban, like noting that the body shape of some characters were changed drastically in-between old and newer cards. Basically anything going against the pandering of WotC to some twitter users.

I got banned out of /r/games for asking "what rights trans people don't have that other humans do?" under post about someone yelling "trans rights are human rights" about Hogwart's legacy. Not being snarky at all, just curious (as I'm not from US and don't really get what the fuss is about).

Still haven't got a coherent answer out of anyone I asked, just insults

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by ilyt »

mstipetic wrote: post #5
tzhenghao wrote: post #2

> The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust. Reddit was also partly successful in that regard because it catered to niche communities who ask the most interesting questions and, trolls aside, responses from the community that's generally trustworthy. There are literally subreddits with discussions on solutions that are deemed better than what you get from customer support. Reddit als…

I never understood how Reddit isn’t an advertising powerhouse. Their users literally voluntarily segregate by interest, but the proper tech never got built out. Last I checked they integrated a 3rd party solution for that.

I remember how their idea of paid ad was just a reddit post you can comment on.

Which was kinda cool from user side but advertisers didn't like people taking piss on them in the comments so they undoed it

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by stinos »

Dachande663 wrote: post #34
stinos wrote: post #31

> Still, it is a bit interesting that this short and simple post is now one of the most upvoted things of all time on Hacker News Is that some kind of easter egg, just expressing hope, or is this pointing to some other post, or am I missing something? This post has 33 points at the time I'm writing this and doesn't seem to be a repost (according to https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=dkb.blog )?

The original HN article[0] has 3636 points as I write this comment. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30347719

Oh, right. i should have searched for the title, not the site.
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