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Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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To me all signs point to Reddit never having been a commercial venture, but rather an influence and propaganda machine for United States government agencies. So they already have their budget paid.

I'm sure government agencies all over the world are quite popular on Reddit.

The CCP even has its own subreddit. It's called /r/worldnews.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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post #168

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Limit your search to Reddit, HN and/or Stack Exchange! I really loved the first paragraph of the article about Reddit: "Reddit is currently the most popular search engine. The only people who don’t know that are the team at Reddit". I want to add this that just happened at my company, that shows really bad execution on the Reddit side. Bad as if the current Reddit management is surfing tiny waves in some paradise. Ou…

To me all signs point to Reddit never having been a commercial venture, but rather an influence and propaganda machine for United States government agencies. So they already have their budget paid.

Don't forget Maxwell Hill.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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post #153

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> With LLMs, you can get information immediately that directly answers your query. Not as long as they're relying on humans to write pages with that information in. When nobody visits, what's the point in writing a page?

I keep looking for a coherent answer to that question, but have never seen one so far, these are unimportant details that are swept under the AI enthusiasm rug.

Someone (I wish I could remember who) once argued that if you're trying to create an ecosystem around your product, you can't hoover up all the value, you have to leave some for the little guy. I've felt for a while that Google, with its various attempts to put the answer on the search results page, might be skirting dangerously close to that problem. It feels like the only value they're leaving on the table is the chance to sell stuff.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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And the worst of SEO pages are cooking recipes, where you have to scroll down screens of badly written meaningless text before you actually get to ingredients list. At least Google still keeps indexing recipe microformats.

I haven't used Google in ages. Do they convert stupid recipes using volume for flour to use mass?

I use this pretty often: https://www.traditionaloven.com/conversions_of_measures/flou...

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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> Reddit was Yes, it was somewhat good in the past but an alternative is sorely needed. Most popular subs (at least the one I frequent) are moderated to the point that censored would be the more appropriate word to describe the situation. Then there are whole subs banned (including non political) for wrongthink.

There's nothing wrong with a sub banning/censoring people. That's a critical part of having a trust value within a social network and if moderators of a popular sub don't think a poster is meeting the bar to post it is good for them to ban it and become higher trust. If they go too far than there won't be content on the sub at all though. For instance /r/AskHistorians has a very high bar for posting and threads are c…

I completely agree with the point that banning/censoring people is necessary in order to operate any internet forum. But I know from firsthand experience that bans are used to stifle valuable discussion both on major subreddits and niche ones. I've seen it happen to me and to others.

For example, on an r/news post a few years ago about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, I replied to another comment where my content was basically the following: "If someone threatened to bomb your house, and they had a history of bombing houses, would you respond? What about after they destroyed your house?". That's almost exactly the wording I used (wish the comment hadn't been deleted so I could repost it exactly). This not only got me permanently banned from r/news, but also reported to the admins who censored the account. I suspect I pissed off a reddit admin or power user who followed me around reporting me, as shortly afterwards in a niche sub, I made another post discussing the continuum of force when it came to violent crime, quickly received several reports, and my account was permabanned from reddit. Note that both the content and tone of my posts there were similar to how I post on HN, which I think is generally appropriate.

This sequence of events bothered me a lot, because I think discussion of the use of force continuum and the ethics of preemptive or retributive force are highly relevant to today's world, and that the places where I continued (didn't start) discussion of them were the appropriate places for them. If this conversation can't happen on reddit, which it appears it can't, then we need another forum. It is clear to me today that reddit has hit it's eternal september. I can't bring myself to respond to the multitude of low effort posts that typically bombard you when you post something other than memeing.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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> Reddit's system is terrible This doesn’t match my experience of reading Reddit

That's because you're just unaware of how astroturfed it is. I just headed over to one of the popular subreddits and randomly picked an account that posted a top meme https://www.reddit.com/user/esberat/submitted/ The account has 8 million post karma and every single post it submits to a subreddit ends up on the front page of Reddit... without fail. The account isn't a mod of any of those subs, but they're clearly us…

That looks just like making content tailored to subreddit it is posted, no shit it's popular.

Also how the fuck "Building a hobby-shelter while camping in Kelowna" or some random funny pictures is "astroturfing"?

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Google is dying because the original internet that it searched is dying. That's not necessarily a bad thing and this isn't a "the sky is falling" statement - it's just the internet has changed. A lot. Nowadays people aren't creating their own websites - they're creating content and providing feedback on forums such as Reddit. The fact people are searching Reddit for whatever they need is a reflection of that new reality.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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post #65

The most tragic casualty of this is the ancient wisdom of just google your tech issues. It doesn't work any more! All you get is page upon page of auto-generated help sites that pretend to have solutions for your exact problem but are all actually the same list of generic tips (restart your computer! update your drivers!) I can sort through it with enough effort, but it's a disaster for non-tech people who could mudd…

Stack Overflow is to blame for that. With the best of intentions they make their data open, resulting in hundreds of clone sites regurgitating the stack overflow data, on sites with names like “ProblemGeek” and “NerdAnswer”.

I mean, SO is still there... Just limit your search result to it, e.g. "java enum ordinal site:stackoverflow.com" (or others from stackexchange family).

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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post #283

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I keep looking for a coherent answer to that question, but have never seen one so far, these are unimportant details that are swept under the AI enthusiasm rug.

Someone (I wish I could remember who) once argued that if you're trying to create an ecosystem around your product, you can't hoover up all the value, you have to leave some for the little guy. I've felt for a while that Google, with its various attempts to put the answer on the search results page, might be skirting dangerously close to that problem. It feels like the only value they're leaving on the table is the c…

so... how much value does ChatGPT as proposed solution leave to the little guy?
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