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Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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The author seems to be making an assumption that the average person cares as little about preventing centralization of power and having any semblance of online privacy as they do about the speed of their dishwasher and that the projects that focus on improving these things fail to gain a large user base because users don't care.

That's simply not the case. Talk to most people and they'd prefer that their entire digital lives weren't dominated by a few megacorps with access to all your private data. It's true that a lot of people have no idea how to begin achieving that, but that's not the same as not caring.

The problem is that when you develop a new system, privacy and decentralization generally aren't things that can be easily added in as later optimizations. If you care about those things then you need to build them into the design from day one, and they are hard problems to solve. Something as simply as resetting a forgotten password can turn into quite the challenge when there is no centralized authority. Getting to the point where your basic decentralized and secure platform works well enough that you can build stable, user friendly apps with all the expected niceties takes a lot of time and thinking by highly skilled developers and many projects never fully get there. This doesn't mean that it isn't worthwhile to attempt to develop such technologies.

There is also a weird fallacy going on here around building stuff based on a shallow perception of what consumers* supposedly care about. Looking at the current social media landscape and thinking "this exists because it's what people really want" betrays a particularly narrow way of thinking about the economics and power dynamics of the modern internet. This type of willfully naive thought process would have us optimize toward a highly profitable software skinnner box. The wetware equivalent would be to suggest that we design the most profitable and addictive drugs. After all, consumers are consuming them so that must be what they want, right? Why are you building something that isn't optimizing for maximum consumption? You must be blinded by your own weird ideology or blinded by interesting but irrelevant technical challenges.

Then there's the weird comment about exciting technical challenges not necessarily all being businesses. The author seems to have an underlying assumption that if it's not a viable business then it shouldn't be worked on.

*Thinking about participants in a two-way global communication system as simply "consumers" seems in-line with the rest of the author's thought processes

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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post #20

A more energy efficient dishwasher would be nice though...

Your children, if you have any, should make for rather efficient dishwashers at no additional cost if you play it smart.

There is an opportunity cost. Time spent washing dishes means time not doing something more productive.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

#103
post #80

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

Our new(er) Bosch dishwasher beeps three times at the end of the cycle. I like it because it alerts me to open the door a couple of inches to promote drying. All the dishwashers[1] I had previous to this had a real drying cycle that actively vented the humidity and was effective. My Bosch doesn't vent the compartment so the dishes take forever to dry if you don't open the door. [1] Said dishwashers all manufactured o…

Mine just... pops open by itself.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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post #103
post #80

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Our new(er) Bosch dishwasher beeps three times at the end of the cycle. I like it because it alerts me to open the door a couple of inches to promote drying. All the dishwashers[1] I had previous to this had a real drying cycle that actively vented the humidity and was effective. My Bosch doesn't vent the compartment so the dishes take forever to dry if you don't open the door. [1] Said dishwashers all manufactured o…

Mine just... pops open by itself.

When I was dishwasher shopping last, this feature alone cost almost $200. As in I could get exactly the same dish washer with exactly same features, other than the auto open, and pay $200 less.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Does it have a digital clock? Adjusting the bloody clocks on every appliance twice a year is such fun.

That is nuts and I’ll not buy an appliance with a clock for that reason.

i think messing with time is what's nuts and looking forward to the day US follows other countries in getting rid of that largely pointless busywork

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

#107
post #41

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From the manual Cycle Completion Signal The cycle completion signal alerts you when a cycle completes and the dishwasher has washed and dried the dishes. You can choose to disable the tone or adjust the volume. NOTE: The unit must be powered OFF before activating. To activate: • Press and hold the right "Cancel Reset" button then press and hold the ON/OFF button. • When the light on the "Cancel Reset" button you are…

>From the manual Out of curiosity, how do you know the make/model of goblinux's dishwasher?

It's basically the same for all Bosch models

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

#108

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

> There is no way to disable this beeper

Not officially, but there's always a wire that could be snipped, or a speaker that can be smashed..

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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post #100

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Whenever anyone complains about how appliances are getting worse and worse in the name of eco friendliness there’s always someone that pops out of the woodwork to say that actually they are great. If this was true we wouldn’t need bans in the first place. CRTs weren’t banned and where are they now.

Do you want me to say my dishes are dirty since they banned phosphate? It's not the case. Honestly the fact phosphates are banned even in the US shows the impact they have, given the crap this country doesn't ban, including in food products. Maybe if CRTs had had a major impact on local water quality they would have been banned too (and I sure hope so)

Sure. Acknowledge that the new dishwashers (washing machines / stoves / toilets / grocery bags / etc.) suck but we need to save the planet. Then show me the evidence they we are actually saving the planet and not just peacocking. I’ll be there with you.

Don’t try to tell that we live in a perfect world where there are no tradeoffs and those that I’m seeing are just in my head.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

#110

Most of the comments here are basically explaining why they actually would like faster dishwashers. Choose your motivating examples carefully.

No surprise it sparked these comments, it's a terrible example. Plenty of people (myself included) want a faster dishwasher, and many people (restaurants) need a faster dishwasher.
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