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Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by dale_glass »

rvz wrote: post #7

> Or they’re only better ideologically, and in that case, only valuable to those who share the same ideology. Which is fine if the market for that ideology is big ... But other markets, like decentralized social media, make no money, because very few people care about their social media being centralized. They care a lot more about it being entertaining and insightful. He's perfectly described Mastodon. A magnificent…

I don't know, Mastodon seems to do what it intends to do quite well. I don't find the fact that it's not taken over the world that big of a problem.

Mastodon is in my view ideological in the design and of course most attractive to people who share that particular ideology. And that's quite a lot.

I find it very refreshing compared to Twitter: it doesn't want to maximize engagement, it doesn't want me to follow more and more people. It's a boring tool that does a job quite well, which is exactly what I want from it.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by maccard »

nemo44x wrote: post #21

Pro tip about your home dishwasher: Run hot water out of your faucet until it’s extremely hot before starting your dishwasher. (Considering the faucet and dishwasher use the same plumbing to pipe water in) The reason why is dishwashers line to do a rinse in the first cycle and for most people the water isn’t hot enough. So it fills up with lukewarm water and isn’t as effective. Another option is to have a hot water c…

This assumes your dishwasher is hooked up to the hot water feed in the first place, most aren't. Most have a cold water intake and a heating element that heats it up internally to the correct temperature, so actually your tip is just wasting water (potentially hot water) for anyone who has a modern dishwasher.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by thebigspacefuck »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #8
akskos wrote: post #6

I'd love a faster dishwasher. So annoying when there's something in there i need and it'll still wash for another 40 minutes

Happens frequently ; I just take it out and resume the cycle for the rest.

Always feels like it’s releasing a soapy steam cloud into my face

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by jjtheblunt »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #40
goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

The LG washing machine in my apartment has a lot of chimes (even on the ZZZ quiet mode). And it doesn't appear there is a way to disable them. It's really irritating.

We disabled them on our LG. How to do so may be hidden well however.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by eru »

Pxtl wrote: post #30

"people need their dishes clean by next meal" Sadly, modern dishwashers are not only are slow, they also suck at this too. I don't mind the slower performance since I get why, but the number of times i open the dishwasher to find half the detergent in the dispenser and all the bowls with stuff cooked on kills me. The HP-ificaton of major appliance brands is so infuriating.

You might be using yours wrong? See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by dsr_ »

kardianos wrote: post #18

My dishwasher has a setting that finishes in 1 hr. I always use it and would use a faster setting if available. First order reasoning often fails in light of actual experience. It isn't that the reasoning was faulty, it was the underlying knowledge of reality was incomplete.

I use the 1 hour setting when I have too many dishes for one load and I would like to solve the problem today instead of tomorrow.

It uses about 4L more water than the 3 hour 'eco' setting. All winter long my house uses hot water anyway, so this is only a technically measurable savings in summer. In practice it is swamped out by other variations.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by nielsole »

dudul wrote: post #34
kwhitefoot wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife had a saying that applied to almost all of this kind of thing: Designed by a man!

And yet, I bet women were pretty happy when men created the dishwasher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Cochrane

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by SilverBirch »

A funny way to look at this, is to go the other direction in the logic. The logic in this article is basically all these products have this property, oh and he's a reason would result in this. Well let's apply the same to web3 social media start ups. As the author correctly points out, for the average user these products are pointless. So what's going on? It's as if an entire industry has sprung up of super fast dishwashers (ignore the fact that this exists for commercial businesses).

What is actually happening is crypto/web3 is a scam, and social media is a great fake product because your "customers" think you're trying to get them onto your new social media site whilst what you're actually doing is selling them worthless tokens with the promise of some future value that'll clearly never come.

>Businesses exist to make money by serving customer needs.

Yeah, and that's really hard, which is why they're not doing it!

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by eru »

maccard wrote: post #52
nemo44x wrote: post #21

Pro tip about your home dishwasher: Run hot water out of your faucet until it’s extremely hot before starting your dishwasher. (Considering the faucet and dishwasher use the same plumbing to pipe water in) The reason why is dishwashers line to do a rinse in the first cycle and for most people the water isn’t hot enough. So it fills up with lukewarm water and isn’t as effective. Another option is to have a hot water c…

This assumes your dishwasher is hooked up to the hot water feed in the first place, most aren't. Most have a cold water intake and a heating element that heats it up internally to the correct temperature, so actually your tip is just wasting water (potentially hot water) for anyone who has a modern dishwasher.

It seems hot water feeds to your dishwasher are an American thing. Everyone else in the world has their dishwasher heat cold water.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by shellfishgene »

krisroadruck wrote: post #31
bradleyjg wrote: post #9

Dishwasher cycles have been getting longer and longer and it’s a pain in the neck. Give me back my hour long cycle and actually clean dishes, please.

You can blame detergent regulations for this. About a decade or so back phosphates were banned from detergents. The problem is that was the thing that made them work really well. In order to compensate for less effective detergents, cycle times have gotten longer. Phosphate detergents are still available in commercial soaps, but I don't recommend skirting the regs here as they had some solid reasoning (algae blooms).…

I think the long cycles are more related to energy efficiency regulations, most dishwashers default to a 3h 'eco' cycle with 50 degC, but also have a 1h 65 degC cycle.

The hot water tip does not apply in most parts of the world I think as the heating is done in the dishwasher (hence the temperature settings).

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