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Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by tyingq »

JCM9 wrote: post #17

The two biggest problems I’ve seen develop with Google are that: 1. The quality of the search algorithm’s ability to sift through nonsense to find “the good stuff” seems to have gotten progressively worse, and that’s largely fueled by: 2. Google is only really searching the “public” Internet but that’s increasingly a wasteland full of garbage where all the “good stuff” is now behind walled off gardens that Goggle doe…

I would add a "3." that Google has less incentive than they used to to fix it.

If they can supply enough relevant ads,"rich snippets", shopping widgets, or links to content they pulled from wikipedia (that keeps you surfing google-owned properties)...the organic search results don't matter.

Actually, if the organic results are low quality, then maybe you're more likely to use the content above. So the organic content optimal quality is just "better than Bing", but worse than the ads.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by azatom »

Dying is a harsh word, give them the respect for the good years: they killing it deliberatively.

They fed up with people using it without login, and only the websites paying. They just want monthly payment from user too.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by pprotas »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #19
tzhenghao wrote: post #2

> The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust. Reddit was also partly successful in that regard because it catered to niche communities who ask the most interesting questions and, trolls aside, responses from the community that's generally trustworthy. There are literally subreddits with discussions on solutions that are deemed better than what you get from customer support. Reddit als…

Reddit is one of the most astroturfed places on the internet, and there's an entire ecology of PR/marketing firms that focus exclusively on it. There's also a thriving market in "high karma" accounts, which can be bought for as little as $30. > Reddit also doesn't have "promoted" content / responses It does, though. Your karma basically determines the visibility of any new post you try to make. And low-karma or new a…

> Your karma basically determines the visibility of any new post you try to make.

Are you sure? How do you know this?

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by LewisVerstappen »

oblio wrote: post #36
mstipetic wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood how Reddit isn’t an advertising powerhouse. Their users literally voluntarily segregate by interest, but the proper tech never got built out. Last I checked they integrated a 3rd party solution for that.

If you look at their software dev efforts it should be painfully obvious why they're not a powerhouse of anything :-) They had great product-market fit early on, were boosted by YN, and inertia is a huge thing.

Yeah, it's an absurdly poorly managed company.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by Gigachad »

SquareWheel wrote: post #41
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is one of the most astroturfed places on the internet, and there's an entire ecology of PR/marketing firms that focus exclusively on it. There's also a thriving market in "high karma" accounts, which can be bought for as little as $30. > Reddit also doesn't have "promoted" content / responses It does, though. Your karma basically determines the visibility of any new post you try to make. And low-karma or new a…

> Your karma basically determines the visibility of any new post you try to make. User karma isn't factored into the site's sorting algorithms. Post score is, and that influences karma, but not the other way around. edit: On reflection, you may have been referring to the ability to post, rather than the popularity of the post. In that case, the misunderstanding was mine.

It’s not part of the ranking algorithm, it’s part of the anti spam system. If you make a new account and comment, it’s almost never visible to anyone else.

You have to warm up accounts with a few comments over a week before they start showing up.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by capybara_2020 »

I think it is time to stop being nice and treating the entire search results page as ads for every single query. Even if you have an adblocker, the more nefarious ads are still there, the ones masquerading as useful articles that have been SEOed to the top.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by SquareWheel »

Gigachad wrote: post #55
SquareWheel wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your karma basically determines the visibility of any new post you try to make. User karma isn't factored into the site's sorting algorithms. Post score is, and that influences karma, but not the other way around. edit: On reflection, you may have been referring to the ability to post, rather than the popularity of the post. In that case, the misunderstanding was mine.

It’s not part of the ranking algorithm, it’s part of the anti spam system. If you make a new account and comment, it’s almost never visible to anyone else. You have to warm up accounts with a few comments over a week before they start showing up.

That's often true. Individual subreddits may filter new accounts or low-karma thresholds to prevent spam. The better subreddits will simply flag it for manual review rather than remove it outright.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by lincpa »

tokinonagare wrote: post #8
tzhenghao wrote: post #2

> The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust. Reddit was also partly successful in that regard because it catered to niche communities who ask the most interesting questions and, trolls aside, responses from the community that's generally trustworthy. There are literally subreddits with discussions on solutions that are deemed better than what you get from customer support. Reddit als…

> Reddit was Yes, it was somewhat good in the past but an alternative is sorely needed. Most popular subs (at least the one I frequent) are moderated to the point that censored would be the more appropriate word to describe the situation. Then there are whole subs banned (including non political) for wrongthink.

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