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ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by geraldhh »

seppel wrote: post #257
xdennis wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the EU's fault that you have to click cookie banners. Those banners are only required if a website plans to do malicious things with the cookies. If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. They are more akin to the "Do not eat" warnings on silica packs... except on the internet everyone swallows.

> It's not the EU's fault that you have to click cookie banners. Those banners are only required if a website plans to do malicious things with the cookies. I just check some web pages from diffrent organs of the EU: https://commission.europa.eu/select-language?destination=/no... https://www.consilium.europa.eu/de/european-council/ https://european-union.europa.eu/institutions-law-budget/ins... They all have cookie b…

> regulation is totally dettached from reality and has become just some ritual

not completely wrong.

ime in the case of the cookie law, most ppl didn't actually bother to go into details and just took the word on the street and some existing 'solution' and called it a day since everybody was doing it this way and sales/executives were pleased.

fact remains: cookie banner is _not_ necessary for logins and most existing banners are outright illegal since 'no' is not an easily accessible option

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by nottathrowaway3 »

killerpopiller wrote: post #6
user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

micro targeting is a threat to our democracy (cambridge analytica, Facebooks desinformation problem,..). Besides, why should third parties allowed to trade my digital persona, while basically knowing more about my interests and flaws than I am? I hate cookie banner as well but this excessive tracking must be stopped somehow.

>this excessive tracking [by website operators] must be stopped somehow

Easy. Clear your cookies. Use a proxy. Use a fingerprint resistant browser. Will protect against >99% of website operators.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by clbrmbr »

falsaberN1 wrote: post #53

People acts like if it was a tiny person inside a computer. I know humans have a tendency to humanize inanimate objects but this is was always ridiculous, the article mentions "the AI wants to be regulated" but it doesn't WANT anything. It's not going to reprogram itself to carry out threats, it's just regurgitating the usual response of many humans being challenged on an assertion and becoming hostile. WE taught it…

Re: from the article on sexualization of women by Lensa:

> Funnily enough, I found more realistic portrayals of myself when I told the app I was male.

While I don’t disagree that AI has gender biases, the author doesn’t acknowledge how the gender selection works on Lensa. It’s the human prompt engineers who decided what to do with the male/female checkbox.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by ly3xqhl8g9 »

TekMol wrote: post #31

Are there any internationally relevant internet companies in Europe? Spotify comes to mind. Then .. I can't think of anything. No search engine. No browser. No operating system. No social network. No ecommerce company. No cloud computing platform. No financial services company. No transportation company. No travel company. No nothing. Except for a $20B music aggregator, there is not a single sector of the web where E…

Reading Franz Kafka there is at least one takeaway: bureaucracy is corruption. Having said this, the corruption of EU, bureaucratic or otherwise, in Bruxelles but also randomly from the French/German government to Slovenian or Romanian governments, puts the US with their legalized lobby to shame. There is a reason why PricewaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte, KPMG or Ernst & Young have headquarters in Europe, they want to learn from the masters [1].

Perhaps someone will write by the year 2500 a monograph with the title/subtitle: EU funding programmes—the downfall of Europe: how hundreds of billions were spent so that police officers, judges, customs officers, secret services officers, politicians and their friends and relatives used public funding to build holiday homes for the bed-and-breakfast "industry" and "start-ups" in the pretzel "industry" [2].

At least the trillions the DOD pumps into Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, and their friends ensure the US military supremacy, the EU is supreme in publicly-funded pretzels and craft beer, manufactured with Chinese machinery.

[1] https://www.icij.org/investigations/luxembourg-leaks/lux-lea...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_J%C3%A1n_Kuciak

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Post by sokoloff »

IMTDb wrote: post #287
kelnos wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You get punished for just looking at it. Not completely false, but misleading: you get penalized if a lender looks at it with the express purpose of using it to decide whether or not to offer you credit (called a "hard pull"). You looking at your own credit report does not penalize you, and certain other activities (like getting pre-approved for a loan) won't either. The penalty for hard pulls isn't that bad, anywa…

So, GET request not only aren't idempotent but they also affect the party that is read. Who came up with that lovely system ? I gave it roughly 15 seconds of thought and came come up with multiple ways this design fucks up people lives.

It’s not a GET request on the credit history; those do not affect the score. It’s a PUT* request on the “considering taking additional credit” record.

* perhaps closer to PATCH as multiple requests in short time are combined as one (as in mortgage shopping)

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Post by karmasimida »

Mashimo wrote: post #276
karmasimida wrote: post #163

Laughable attempt to control something very few can understand at the moment. What does control mean? You want to control who can access it? Maybe for now, you can broker a deal with OpenAI, but this technology will eventually spread, then if can be self hosted, what can you do? If not for consumer facing, nothing will stop somebody to transfer data from EU to US to get their data processed by a GPT model. This level…

If the EU makes a law that companies or public institutions can't use (or limit the use) for AI in recruitment, administration of justice or social scoring, they will just outsource it to the US? And suddenly they are allowed to do it? I have my doubts. They risk risk up to 30 Million EUR or 6% of global revenue in penalties.

EU can ban generative AI if they want, and they might as well give up their place in this new wave of generative AI, which in reality, counting on EU's past records, they could and might go there, but it is stupid and suicidal regardless.

But they CAN'T control it. You can't have cake and eat it. Eventually the technology will become so pervasive, that your ever query might go to a service that calls a service that calls another service which uses GPT as part of the signal analysis.

I doubt EU can audit every API calls, and every API's supply chain issue.

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Post by [deleted] »

ilyt wrote: post #145
killerpopiller wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

micro targeting is a threat to our democracy (cambridge analytica, Facebooks desinformation problem,..). Besides, why should third parties allowed to trade my digital persona, while basically knowing more about my interests and flaws than I am? I hate cookie banner as well but this excessive tracking must be stopped somehow.

Cookie banner is "meant well, turned out badly" law. GDPR kinda fixes few things with it. Ideally browser should just send "do not track" and site should fuck off with tracking, no questions asked.

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by sokoloff »

corbulo wrote: post #194
Kranar wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The credit score system already in place in the US is frequently as arbitrary in some cases already. The credit score system is not arbitrary, it's a specific formula that applies equally to everyone. >You get punished for just looking at it. No you do not. There are hard inquiries and soft inquiries, and an individual viewing their own credit score is considered a soft inquiry which has absolutely no effect on your…

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/27/american-consumer-credit-rat... https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2013/02/... It's one of the few things thats so obvious its bipartisan. I'm amazed you think its worth defending. There should not be a punishment for LOOKING at a credit score hard or soft, that's insane. To require someone take on debt in order to have good credit is pretty arbitrary. You can have all…

> You can have all the money in the world, but no debt? you're fucked.

No, you’d be totally fine paying cash for anything you needed.

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