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Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by oblio »

pessimizer wrote: post #112
capableweb wrote: post #95

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Imagine being a malicious actor in this world of ours, where as long as you could make it look like a potential mistake, you can get away with whatever, and people on the internet will simply say "Sounds like Hanlon's Razor" and you're basically in the clear :shrug:

There should be consultants who specialize in Hanlon's Razor, coming up with ways to make future plans look like stupid mistakes. Or maybe more usefully, they could discover profitable mistakes based on current conditions and events e.g. "Those two labels could be confused with each other; is there any way to make money from claiming that we confused them?"

Those consultants are called lawyers and the idea is called plausible deniability.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by oblio »

3np wrote: post #234
nforgerit wrote: post #210

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1) If clients spoof their UA, they just get what they asked for. Couldn't care less. 2) With SSR you're actually making a case for sniffing the UA for the client's device class. Web apps might need to ship vastly different but overlapping code across different device classes. I'm not even talking about things that can be lazily loaded subsequently, I'm talking about the initial screen for given URL. 3) I'm _not_ goin…

How do you deal with guaranteeing this approach doesn't break users with non-default settings and preferences?

He probably doesn't, but do you have specific settings in mind?

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by oblio »

account42 wrote: post #299
yeko wrote: post #283

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Sometimes it is not possible due to bugs in browsers. For example, how do you know if calling a API will crash the browser? https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=118336...

In that case you use that API whenever you can so that browser gets fixed ASAP.

Yeah, and that browser update is controlled by IT and they manage the CEOs laptop and you'll be fired if the site doesn't work on their laptop.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by oblio »

toastal wrote: post #288
tag2103 wrote: post #220

We are a smaller company, only 10 users. We are in the process of fully ditching Microsoft for a full linux stack using Samba for AD (for the leprosy known as Quickbooks alone). I've blocked MS at the pihole and was expecting people to bring torches and pitchforks. The general consensus was we should have done this years ago and how did you make my computer so much faster. To hell with Microsoft and their tripe.

PiHoling Microsoft GitHub too?

*crickets*

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by toastal »

oblio wrote: post #304
toastal wrote: post #288

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PiHoling Microsoft GitHub too?

*crickets*

Hopefully the OP already migrated repositories elsewhere and only allows Microsoft GitHub to open merge requests to projects that have yet to institute a mirror or mailing list.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by MikusR »

Szpadel wrote: post #152
ivandenysov wrote: post #137

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Where can I read more about this?

I don't think that there was any well written article about as it was very plausible rumor. but you can see eg: https://searchcode.com/?q=osname.startswith%28%22windows+9%2... to see this issue present in a lot of publicly available source code.

Quick look and most of those results are checking for macosx version or really old code where the only windows is 95 and not even xp.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by bacchusracine »

pluc wrote: post #254
anonuser123456 wrote: post #205

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Or it’s just a bug.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

>Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

People this smart don't get to claim this level of stupidity. As others have said already, their reputation precedes them. Never underestimate the value of a good (or bad) name.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by hinkley »

scarface74 wrote: post #280
hinkley wrote: post #275

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Google is only now starting to think about approaching the level of maliciousness Microsoft achieved at their zenith. And yes, people are starting to boycott Google because of it. They should. But boycotting things specifically because Google keeps shutting down projects is not the same thing. Boycotting for that reason is because Google now has a reputation of being quitters, and betting on quitters is just dumb.

Yes I’m sure that Google is going to have trouble convincing software engineers to come work for it at the compensation levels they offer …

Turns out pandering to the whims of developers is a really popular strategy. In the long run though, it's a bad habit you have to break, but it feels good while someone lets you do it.

As I said in another thread this week, you have to throw developers a bone once in a while to keep us happy and comfortable. But Google throws whole cows at people, which teaches people to be butterflies. I'll be interested to see if Xooglers ever connect the dots and start talking about the downsides of getting to work on whatever you want only for as long as you want to do it.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by palata »

scarface74 wrote: post #109
palata wrote: post #85

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A good way to put pressure on Google is actually to use Firefox.

Yes, because using Firefox doesn’t put money in Google’s coffers. Oh wait…

By using alternatives to Chromium, you put pressure on the developers to support those alternatives (if 50% of the users were pissed to see a "only works on Chromium" banner, it would matter for the websites).

Hopefully the developers then use features that are compatible between those different browsers, and now those browsers have a word to say against Google if they disagree with a specific feature.

Obviously the goal is not to not put money in Google's coffers... how would you do that? They make money by selling data they took without your consent. It's not like non tech-savvy users can do anything to protect their data. Already tech-savvy users mostly can't be arsed to make that kind of effort.

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