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ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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This kind of regulation is one of the most basic functions of government, without which trade between states and countries becomes much more difficult. Of all the things a government can do, requiring certain standards on things like connector types seems the most reasonable.

Does the government really knows what the market wants in a standard? Some people will benefit from their standard being chosen as the winner. This is just corruption waiting to happen. It’s fine I guess if the choices are functionally identical (although that still leaves the issue of corruption if there is money involved) or the market has already clearly chosen what it wants by mass adopting a standard (USB-C has…

It's true that governments can overreach, and frequently do. What I'm saying those is that when it comes to enforcing standards, the basic ability of a government to do so is fine as it's commonly used for immensely beneficial reasons (as in, industries often want the government to regulate a standard and to sign international agreements regulating certain standards because it often makes it way easier to sell and transfer between regions). The standard should be evaluated on its own merits as opposed to a generic opposition to the government setting standards at all, which I see as deeply flawed.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Neat! I guess you’ll be advocating for whatever the next advancement in USB ports is becoming mandated as soon as it’s available, too?

Yes! Changing plug standard every 10 years and some cables that work with everything beats alternatives. Fuck, imagine if every devices you ever owned for last 30 years needed total of 3 different cables to connect, it would be fucking amazing.

> Fuck, imagine if every devices you ever owned for last 30 years needed total of 3 different cables to connect, it would be fucking amazing.

It basically does. USB-A, USB-C, Lightning, Micro-USB.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Are there any internationally relevant internet companies in Europe? Spotify comes to mind. Then .. I can't think of anything. No search engine. No browser. No operating system. No social network. No ecommerce company. No cloud computing platform. No financial services company. No transportation company. No travel company. No nothing. Except for a $20B music aggregator, there is not a single sector of the web where E…

It looks like you don't know much about Europe. Let's start with browser. Opera, made in Norway. Search Engine. Ecosia, Qwant. Social network: Mastodon. Operating system: are you kidding right? Linux, Linus Torvalds is from Finland. E-commerce company, just a few : Otto Group (bigger than uber, close in size to Baidu), Zalando, Booking.com, Digitec Galaxus (Swiss company, now selling in Switzerland, Austria, France,…

The only two actual big players you mentioned there are SAP and ASML, and those were successful prior to the EU. Everything else you listed confirms that while the talent definitely exists in the EU, it's just being squandered.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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>The credit score system already in place in the US is frequently as arbitrary in some cases already. The credit score system is not arbitrary, it's a specific formula that applies equally to everyone. >You get punished for just looking at it. No you do not. There are hard inquiries and soft inquiries, and an individual viewing their own credit score is considered a soft inquiry which has absolutely no effect on your…

> it's a specific formula that applies equally to everyone. That doesn’t mean the formula is reasonable or transparent. An AI is also a specific formula that applies equally to everyone. It’s about how the formula takes “weight” on the individual’s differences. > There are hard inquiries and soft inquiries Why there are “hard inquiries”? Why someone else inquiring my credit score should affect my credit score?

I certainly don’t love the system, but the difference is “checking credit score in order to take more credit (eg a loan or credit card)” (hard) vs “checking credit score for my own knowledge” (soft). This distinction feels reasonable to me.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

> It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem.

this is exactly what people against gun control say

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Yes! Changing plug standard every 10 years and some cables that work with everything beats alternatives. Fuck, imagine if every devices you ever owned for last 30 years needed total of 3 different cables to connect, it would be fucking amazing.

> Fuck, imagine if every devices you ever owned for last 30 years needed total of 3 different cables to connect, it would be fucking amazing. It basically does. USB-A, USB-C, Lightning, Micro-USB.

That...doesn't cover anywhere close to everything back to 1993, which would be 30 years.

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> equitable outcomes There's your problem right there. Soviet Russia ought to have shown everyone in Europe how well "equitable outcomes" work out. You'll never achieve equitable outcomes until you also achieve equitable input. Good luck with that.

Soviet Russia was a wolf in sheep's clothing. I wouldn't say it's such a great counterpoint about why sheeps are so bad.

Well given that the "sheep" keep on appropriating the wolf's symbolism and rhetoric, and get so very personally offended at every last fact about the which could be considered a slight against the wolf doesn't represent them, isn't exactly a good sign for the very pointy-toothed "sheep". It comes across as dishonest disavowal of something fully approved of but they don't want to own up to.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

> It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. this is exactly what people against gun control say

The difference is that a gun is a tool with a single use-case.
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