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ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by anothernewdude »

cccbbbaaa wrote: post #85
influx wrote: post #33

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Seriously one of the stupidest regulations I've ever seen. It would have been nice if they would have at least had the forethought to enforce regulation on a do not track header.

Neither ePrivacy nor GDPR require cookie consent popups, instead they basically say that tracking requires consent. GDPR only mentions cookies once, in its recitals. It's the adtech industry that decided to ignore DNT.

Correct. Cookie banners were required before GDPR. GDPR is the one that makes dealing with EU citizens online a risky enterprise, so the large entrenched players have the advantage.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by anothernewdude »

rlupi wrote: post #59
TekMol wrote: post #31

Are there any internationally relevant internet companies in Europe? Spotify comes to mind. Then .. I can't think of anything. No search engine. No browser. No operating system. No social network. No ecommerce company. No cloud computing platform. No financial services company. No transportation company. No travel company. No nothing. Except for a $20B music aggregator, there is not a single sector of the web where E…

It looks like you don't know much about Europe. Let's start with browser. Opera, made in Norway. Search Engine. Ecosia, Qwant. Social network: Mastodon. Operating system: are you kidding right? Linux, Linus Torvalds is from Finland. E-commerce company, just a few : Otto Group (bigger than uber, close in size to Baidu), Zalando, Booking.com, Digitec Galaxus (Swiss company, now selling in Switzerland, Austria, France,…

Wow that's a lot of names that nobody has ever heard of.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by antibasilisk »

juancn wrote: post #5

Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

>It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem

No. It's the AI. Humans are not psychologically capable of interfacing with something whose goal is to appear convincingly human, that can be hugely scaled and that is very unpredictable.

We are currently dealing with a huge number of people who are distraught and grieving because a company changed their product because they developed relationships with a sexy chatbot. This isn't going to stop, and it is not worth the potential benefits, because we have clear examples of harm already.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by lillecarl »

paulcole wrote: post #22
Aeolos wrote: post #21

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As a consumer, the USB-C mandate is amazing and I wish it had been given as soon as USB-C became available.

Neat! I guess you’ll be advocating for whatever the next advancement in USB ports is becoming mandated as soon as it’s available, too?

We won't need backwards incompatible advancements in this space for awhile, you seem grumpy that the EU is doing good for consumers rather than mega corporations.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by int_19h »

anigbrowl wrote: post #102
morpheuskafka wrote: post #101

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OP was asking about companies, not technologies. They weren't making the claim that say, academic research in codecs would be any worse off in the EU than elsewhere. The fact that Europe is good at inventing underlying technologies isn't necessarily a counterargument to their claim. There are other internet/SaaS companies that are not consumer brands (ex. Cloudflare, Salesforce, etc.). But what you listed are not com…

And I'm saying that that's a foolishly narrow focus to determine who should get to shape internet policy.

I think the point is that EU's attempt to shape internet policy is not going to get far if most companies with whom the consumers actually interact are not from EU. "Should" doesn't enter into it.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by antibasilisk »

zirgs wrote: post #99
theshrike79 wrote: post #62

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I'm thinking of this more in the way of "printers got so good so now they have to add tracking dots when people try to print money or IDs". We need the same thing for AI generated imagery, video and text.

What stops me from removing that data manually? Some AI tools are open source so nothing prevents me from modifying the code and removing the part that adds those watermarks. Even closed source programs can be patched to remove that functionality.

FYI this is something you can even do with printer dots

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by antibasilisk »

cheeselip420 wrote: post #12
rescripting wrote: post #7

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Isn't this the same argument as "ban murder, not guns"? Murder is illegal, yes, but fatalities are lower in places with gun control than places without.

The upside potential of guns is not even remotely comparable with AI...

Correct, AI is more like a nuclear bomb than a gun.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by lillecarl »

anothernewdude wrote: post #119
xdennis wrote: post #68

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It's not the EU's fault that you have to click cookie banners. Those banners are only required if a website plans to do malicious things with the cookies. If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. They are more akin to the "Do not eat" warnings on silica packs... except on the internet everyone swallows.

No, it's always required.

I've never seen one on this site, and yet I'm logged in writing this comment. Is HN breaking the law?

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by antibasilisk »

ulnarkressty wrote: post #15

Strong AI is a weapon. It will be regulated just like firearms/munitions - see the current EU draft which consists of some hundred pages of forbidding this or that under the guise of ethics and whatnot, after which comes a paragraph of "the above doesn't apply to law enforcement or military entities". We're still in the early stages of this technology. ChatGPT will be to strong AI like a firecracker is to a BLU-109.

it's a good thing they've been so successful in regulating 3D printed guns then...

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by anigbrowl »

px43 wrote: post #110
anigbrowl wrote: post #102

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And I'm saying that that's a foolishly narrow focus to determine who should get to shape internet policy.

I think it's less about who can shape internet policy, and more of a rebuke on how technophobic regulation has led to Europe completely missing out on a key global industry despite many key innovations originating in Europe.

Europeans love technology, but they also love other things, like privacy and equitable outcomes. There is plenty of computer industry in Europe, it is just not as focused on consumer brands.
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