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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by narrator »

flangola7 wrote: post #48
ulnarkressty wrote: post #15

Strong AI is a weapon. It will be regulated just like firearms/munitions - see the current EU draft which consists of some hundred pages of forbidding this or that under the guise of ethics and whatnot, after which comes a paragraph of "the above doesn't apply to law enforcement or military entities". We're still in the early stages of this technology. ChatGPT will be to strong AI like a firecracker is to a BLU-109.

Less like a BLU-109 and more like a Death Star. Every offensive and defensive military tool will be utterly defeated. How do you fight against a cloud of self contained autonomous kill drones? Just look at what is happening in Ukraine with cheap drones precision dropping charges into open tank hatches and foxholes, and those are only basic off the shelf human steered drones! What happens when they are given a brain a…

You have your drones. You also have your own personal chatbot that tells you when to ignore instructions from super-persuader AIs that would get you to kill yourself , spend all your money, or fall madly in love with an LLM if you didn't have a personal chatbot to protect you from their persuasive capabilities.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by richwater »

anigbrowl wrote: post #95
TekMol wrote: post #31

Are there any internationally relevant internet companies in Europe? Spotify comes to mind. Then .. I can't think of anything. No search engine. No browser. No operating system. No social network. No ecommerce company. No cloud computing platform. No financial services company. No transportation company. No travel company. No nothing. Except for a $20B music aggregator, there is not a single sector of the web where E…

You are limiting your investigation to consumer brands. Lots of codecs (which support video infrastructure) originate in Europe, look up Fraunhofer institute for example. Python, the world's most popular programming language, invented and managed by a European. The world wide web originates in Switzerland. So does Linux. A lot of the technology you use every day comes from Europe, it just isn't in the form of a consu…

> the world's most popular programming language

lol

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by kristofferR »

> ChatGPT told POLITICO it thinks it might need regulating: “The EU should consider designating generative AI and large language models as ‘high risk’ technologies, given their potential to create harmful and misleading content,” the chatbot responded when questioned on whether it should fall under the AI Act’s scope.

> “The EU should consider implementing a framework for responsible development, deployment, and use of these technologies, which includes appropriate safeguards, monitoring, and oversight mechanisms," it said.

This is amazing, now people are interviewing ChatGPT.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by akomtu »

talideon wrote: post #70
hyperhopper wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should look up Switzerland's gun laws and intentional homicide rate if you think so. That is a far more complex issue which is far deeper than such a simple correlation.

For the curious, in Switzerland, you don't keep ammo at home, there's proper registration of weapons with proper background checks, and it's treated more as a means of national defense, so having lots of guns is going to get you odd looks from people. Guns aren't seen as something for personal defense: that's the job of the police. In other words, Switzerland has a much healthier attitude towards gun ownership and us…

Switzerland has a more traditional, not healthier, relationship between the people and the state: the people are subjects who are given tiny freedoms, but are kept on tight leash, because the state has a deep distrust of its people. The abberation with guns is just insecurity of the state: it's small and needs its people to act as part-time military in reserve. If it had a bigger military, the fake gun rights would disappear overnight.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by int_19h »

talideon wrote: post #78
hyperhopper wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saving your own life could be argued to be the most important upside possible.

Given you brought up Switzerland, "saving your own life" isn't a valid reason there: concealed carry isn't legal there, and you need a gun-carrying permit to open-carry outside of some very limited circumstances, such as travelling to and from a shooting range. The only people who can easily get gun-carrying permits are those in security and such. In Switzerland, guns exist for recreational and competitive shooting,…

Czechia is a European country you want to look at for an example that you can have gun laws that allow civilians to own handguns and carry them for defensive purposes without problems.

US is somewhat unique in the Western world across the board - no public healthcare, generally poor social safety net etc - which means that exercises in causal linking of those unique traits to outcomes are wild guesswork, if one is taking a charitable perspective. A non-charitable one is that people mostly just cherry-pick things that compare favorably for whatever political cause they're advancing, and will often outright refuse to believe a similar comparison that is contradictory.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by lillecarl »

torstenvl wrote: post #81
concordDance wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems more like banning cars than guns. Cars can be used pretty effectively for murder but the vast majority of use cases are not killing things.

There are more firearms than cars in the U.S., but motor vehicles cause far more deaths (with the exception of 2020 when nobody was driving).

Unrelated but interesting fact, mortality rate per mile driven went up during covid. The reason motor vehicles kill so many people in the US is because of street design, but usually it's all clogged up with traffic to reduce speeds to a non-lethal level.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by endgame »

xdennis wrote: post #68
user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

It's not the EU's fault that you have to click cookie banners. Those banners are only required if a website plans to do malicious things with the cookies. If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. They are more akin to the "Do not eat" warnings on silica packs... except on the internet everyone swallows.

So the EU should ban the malicious thing, instead of putting that fatigue onto all users everywhere.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by int_19h »

ulnarkressty wrote: post #15

Strong AI is a weapon. It will be regulated just like firearms/munitions - see the current EU draft which consists of some hundred pages of forbidding this or that under the guise of ethics and whatnot, after which comes a paragraph of "the above doesn't apply to law enforcement or military entities". We're still in the early stages of this technology. ChatGPT will be to strong AI like a firecracker is to a BLU-109.

I suspect it'll be more like strong encryption. That is, it will be "regulated" in some countries on paper, but readily accessible from the rest of the world with minimal effort.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by anothernewdude »

xdennis wrote: post #68
user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

It's not the EU's fault that you have to click cookie banners. Those banners are only required if a website plans to do malicious things with the cookies. If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. They are more akin to the "Do not eat" warnings on silica packs... except on the internet everyone swallows.

No, it's always required.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by anothernewdude »

tekbog wrote: post #63
user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

Most websites don't need to gather and sell your data but here we are.

Thankfully I don't give them my data. Wish everyone could've done the same, but here we are.
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