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ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by kingstoned »

rlupi wrote: post #59
TekMol wrote: post #31

Are there any internationally relevant internet companies in Europe? Spotify comes to mind. Then .. I can't think of anything. No search engine. No browser. No operating system. No social network. No ecommerce company. No cloud computing platform. No financial services company. No transportation company. No travel company. No nothing. Except for a $20B music aggregator, there is not a single sector of the web where E…

It looks like you don't know much about Europe. Let's start with browser. Opera, made in Norway. Search Engine. Ecosia, Qwant. Social network: Mastodon. Operating system: are you kidding right? Linux, Linus Torvalds is from Finland. E-commerce company, just a few : Otto Group (bigger than uber, close in size to Baidu), Zalando, Booking.com, Digitec Galaxus (Swiss company, now selling in Switzerland, Austria, France,…

We're talking companies, not open-source projects, protocols or non-profits.

Europe has a bigger population than the US, so listing competitors that are much smaller than their US equivalents is not a good sign.

Those companies located in the EU are mostly owned by US and sometimes Chinese investors. The reverse is not true - most US companies are almost exclusively owned by Americans. Americans own around half of all global financial wealth.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by hcks »

rlupi wrote: post #59
TekMol wrote: post #31

Are there any internationally relevant internet companies in Europe? Spotify comes to mind. Then .. I can't think of anything. No search engine. No browser. No operating system. No social network. No ecommerce company. No cloud computing platform. No financial services company. No transportation company. No travel company. No nothing. Except for a $20B music aggregator, there is not a single sector of the web where E…

It looks like you don't know much about Europe. Let's start with browser. Opera, made in Norway. Search Engine. Ecosia, Qwant. Social network: Mastodon. Operating system: are you kidding right? Linux, Linus Torvalds is from Finland. E-commerce company, just a few : Otto Group (bigger than uber, close in size to Baidu), Zalando, Booking.com, Digitec Galaxus (Swiss company, now selling in Switzerland, Austria, France,…

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by taspeotis »

user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

> This browser extension removes cookie warnings from almost all websites and saves you thousands of unnecessary clicks!

https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by barrkel »

concordDance wrote: post #64
hourago wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Automated human classification without recourse nor transparency is what the EU is against. "You cannot get a loan because the AI says so" is not acceptable. > Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of through AI? Yes. As a judge can check what information was used and what algorithm applied to get to a conclusion. And it may declare tha…

> "You cannot get a loan because the AI says so" is not acceptable. To me this makes it seem like acces to loans is a right,in which case the EU should make a lender of last resort that can loan to people who would otherwise get rejected.

How do you leap from banning black box AI decisions to thinking it means everything is allowed?

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by dmix »

hyperhopper wrote: post #40
rescripting wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this the same argument as "ban murder, not guns"? Murder is illegal, yes, but fatalities are lower in places with gun control than places without.

You should look up Switzerland's gun laws and intentional homicide rate if you think so. That is a far more complex issue which is far deeper than such a simple correlation.

There's also no national statistics collected in either the US or Canada on whether murders/crimes involving firearms are 'legal' or not. Which is relevant to these debates and you'd think would be of interest to authorities.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by dmix »

taspeotis wrote: post #73
user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

> This browser extension removes cookie warnings from almost all websites and saves you thousands of unnecessary clicks! https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/

This should be an option in uBlock (if it isnt already).

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by talideon »

hyperhopper wrote: post #41
cheeselip420 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The upside potential of guns is not even remotely comparable with AI...

Saving your own life could be argued to be the most important upside possible.

Given you brought up Switzerland, "saving your own life" isn't a valid reason there: concealed carry isn't legal there, and you need a gun-carrying permit to open-carry outside of some very limited circumstances, such as travelling to and from a shooting range. The only people who can easily get gun-carrying permits are those in security and such.

In Switzerland, guns exist for recreational and competitive shooting, hunting (so long as you have a hunting permit), and national defense. Not personal defense.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by thrashh »

bobthepanda wrote: post #14
juancn wrote: post #5

Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

Control may be the wrong thing here. Every technology, at some point, will inevitably bring questions of legal liability and culpability, and AI has a large tendency to do so because of how applicable it is. It’s not the worst idea to try and get ahead of the problem by defining a legal framework. Examples of how a free-for-all has resulted in legal questions; * police and the judiciary in the US have come under fire…

Sure but you can’t ban something without knowing what it is yet.

And if you try, you end up writing something vague that doesn’t actually fix the problem and instead bans something else.

Case in point is the EU having to write something vague and it turns out they had no idea what was coming.

Maybe just wait until there is a problem before trying to write vague laws IMO.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by dmix »

user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

The complete lack of design standards is what kills the utility.

They should all have 3 buttons: "accept all" or "reject all" or "customize", dead simple. Every time it's a different design, different button text, different options. Usually rejecting = multi layers of options.

A perfect example of good intentions making bad policy.

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