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Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by Symbiote »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #210
JanSt wrote: post #188

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It's obviously not convenient for everyone - but no single measure is. I'd also cut down on your walking time by taking a bycicle - you could probably save 20 minutes by that alone. My wife also takes a bike ride to the train station (and she packs quite a few bags on the bike). Nonetheless - yes, there are situations in which cars are still way better.

Unfortunately, it's not possible to bring a bike into a crowded commuter bus and the stretch between home and bus stop can't be efficiently used by bike without commiting several traffic violations. I can, however, do the entire trip by bike (which I often do in summer), using a different route. That takes only slightly longer than the trip via bus.

In the Netherlands and Denmark, it's not unusal to cycle to a bus stop or railway station, lock the bike there, take the bus/train, and walk at the other end.

Or, to own a second bicycle and leave it at the other end.

In London small, folding bicycles serve the same purpose, but they're much more expensive.

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Post by Symbiote »

enigma20 wrote: post #294
tenthirtyam wrote: post #277

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Polite suggestion: if you can drive in 10 mins you could probably cycle in 20-30 mins depending on details. Although not, I suppose, if 8 of those 10 mins are on high speed autobahn :) When I lived in Rome I cycled everywhere. I was the 2nd fastest on the road for my 13-14km / 35min commute, but it takes time & effort to get fit. Public transport varied from 50 to 100 mins and private car was typically about 45 mins.…

I'm fit (2000-4000km distance per yer, multiple sports). But I would never bike to work/train for longer than 5 minutes. I sweat too much (armpits, feet). And taking spare clothes/shoes, and showering in the office is too much.

It's acceptable to cycle to the office at less than your maximum workout speed.

I find going through all the red lights makes up the difference.

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Post by anticensor »

dathinab wrote: post #173
johndoe0815 wrote: post #2

This is outdated, currently the planned start date is May 1st. However, there seem to be still discussions about implementation details (availability only in an app vs. as a chip card or on paper, use of a subscription model). It's a horrible mess - and still too expensive for people with low incomes. In hindsight, it is amazing that the 9 Euro ticket experiment last year worked at all.

It's not really that bad. Practically for most areas in Germany it can be available from May the 1st as an in-app only ticket. That is what matters. --- PS: No idea why anyone is discussion chip card, it's not an option. Every public transport system in Germany (should) have the capability to scan QR codes from APP or paper. Partially due to DB RE/RB/IC/ICE trickets having "include local transportation at start/desti…

Contactless paper tickets exist (MiFare Ultralight and others). Those cold be utilised to generate a non-refillable start/destination ticket.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by Symbiote »

codethief wrote: post #192
machina_ex_deus wrote: post #179

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I was in Berlin once as a tourist and I was surprised how bad is the planning of buses. They stop and wait in the station until their time arrives (in the middle of the route), with 20 people on them, wasting everyone's time. That's just incredibly dumb planning. I get that the point is to be more "reliable" and "on time" but what's the point of being accurate if you're so slow?! At some points Google maps suggested…

> They stop and wait in the station until their time arrives. So you're suggesting… they shouldn't follow a schedule? The bus only ever needs to wait when there are no people getting on/off the bus at multiple stops in a row (e.g. at night-time), so then those stops will be skipped. As a consequence, the bus will be a few minutes ahead of time and so at some point the driver will stop and wait to make sure the bus is…

London has two types of schedule for buses and metro trains.

On the most frequest services, the timetable says something like "every 6-8 minutes". Otherwise, it gives the exact time. With the former, the bus isn't going to wait if it's 'early', and waiting 1 minute vs. 5 isn't going to make much difference to your journey.

Since even the most frequent services aren't so frequent overnight, you often see a mix.

London bus 14, for example: https://tfl.gov.uk/bus/timetable/14/?fromId=490011285E2&dire...

Incidentally, at times I noticed the same slow pace of Berlin transport.

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Post by Symbiote »

bombolo wrote: post #285
codethief wrote: post #192

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> They stop and wait in the station until their time arrives. So you're suggesting… they shouldn't follow a schedule? The bus only ever needs to wait when there are no people getting on/off the bus at multiple stops in a row (e.g. at night-time), so then those stops will be skipped. As a consequence, the bus will be a few minutes ahead of time and so at some point the driver will stop and wait to make sure the bus is…

> So you're suggesting… they shouldn't follow a schedule? This is the Göteborg way. Want to take a tram and go there 5 minutes earlier? Ah, there was no traffic and you see the tram already leaving anyway. Now enjoy waiting 20 minutes for the next in freezing temperature and strong winds. > and introduce electronic ticket checks at every stop Copenhagen does this on bus. Basically every stop suddenly takes 2x as long…

Copenhagen (well, Denmark) has two NFC card (Rejsekort) readers at the front of every bus, with more at other doors on busier routes (ending A or C). People with commuter passes can vaguely wave them towards the driver as they board, or generally not bother.

If you want to be infuriated by how slow things can be, try a bus in Malmö.

Malmö (I assume Skåne) has a 2D-barcode-based system, where everyone has to validate their ticket on the barcode reader when they board a bus. This is about as reliable as you'd expect, including the usual fiddling with brightness settings etc. They used to have an NFC card system, but for some reason discontinued it.

[But I think the GP meant a system with ticket barriers on the metro/trains, like London, Paris, Rome and Madrid.]

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Post by ben_w »

bombolo wrote: post #275
ranit wrote: post #138

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I just realized (from this site) how minimal railway system is in Greece and South Italy.

Our governments (Italy) just build infrastructure in the north, then do a pikachu face when there aren't big companies anywhere else.

I'd say that's just like the UK except the infrastructure is all in the south, but the UK government is currently in denial about any of their own actions having gone wrong at all at any point, so no Pikachu face.

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Post by ben_w »

sandworm101 wrote: post #215
jenadine wrote: post #124

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If you choose to live in a remote place, you'll also have to bear the costs.

>> If you choose to live in a remote place Lol. I'm one of a very small group that doesn't have such choices. When you are in the military you literally do not choose where you live. If you get posted to a remote location, you now live in a remote location. If you get posted to a "small" town of 20,000 people that doesn't have train or bus services... you better have a car. And if it is below -30c regularly, and you…

If you're in the military, no public transport will ever be right, precisely because it's public.

But:

1) Mass transport isn't necessarily public. If there's a base with one town nearby where even just 20 of the people working on that base live, that's a good reason for a private bus.

2) Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good-enough. The military is even more of an edge case than emergency vehicles, and yet nobody seriously thinks normal people should get sirens and flashing lights on their commute to get past red lights. You get to keep whatever you need to do your job, because obviously you do.

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Post by bombolo »

Symbiote wrote: post #305
bombolo wrote: post #285

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> So you're suggesting… they shouldn't follow a schedule? This is the Göteborg way. Want to take a tram and go there 5 minutes earlier? Ah, there was no traffic and you see the tram already leaving anyway. Now enjoy waiting 20 minutes for the next in freezing temperature and strong winds. > and introduce electronic ticket checks at every stop Copenhagen does this on bus. Basically every stop suddenly takes 2x as long…

Copenhagen (well, Denmark) has two NFC card (Rejsekort) readers at the front of every bus, with more at other doors on busier routes (ending A or C). People with commuter passes can vaguely wave them towards the driver as they board, or generally not bother. If you want to be infuriated by how slow things can be, try a bus in Malmö. Malmö (I assume Skåne) has a 2D-barcode-based system, where everyone has to validate…

> Copenhagen (well, Denmark) has two NFC card (Rejsekort) readers at the front of every bus, with more at other doors on busier routes

As an occasional visitor with a day pass, the experience is just the driver yelling at me, and me having to take my gloves out, get the thing and show it to the driver.

> They used to have an NFC card system, but for some reason discontinued it.

Because app is cheaper and they can gather data to sell it or just their own tracking.

Last time I was in malmö, I remember being on a large square trying to get a bus to go to our hotel. And there were like 15 different lanes named with unsorted letters, and by the time we'd found the lane we'd miss the bus. Repeat this like 4 times.

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Post by panick21_ »

Aaronmacaron wrote: post #295
panick21_ wrote: post #272

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Its sad really, each country and the EU itself all have the totally wrong approach to high speed rail. The EU seems hell bent on turning Europe in England for some reason. France and Spain believes that High-Speed rail is basically an airline. They miss basic stuff like one line should connect to the other, and are bad in terms of connecting high speed rail the rest of the infrastructure. German has political problem…

It would be great to have real high speed trains in Switzerland. Unfortunately it's just not possible though. A train can only go very fast if the tracks are very long and straight. In switzerland there just is no space for that. The non mountainous parts of the country are densely populated. Even if you have tracks where you could go very fast such as the Gotthard tunnel it's not worth it to buy trains that go that…

Sorry, but hard disagree. For the main route that goes threw the population, from Genf to St.Gallen, you can absolutely make a new high speed rail line.

Doing such a high speed lane would open up massive amount of capacity. More local trains, more regional trains and importantly more cargo trains.

Switzerland has a modal share of over 20% for rail, and if we want to boost that to 40%, then new high speed rail is a must.

> The non mountainous parts of the country are densely populated.

Switzerland is not even close to as populated as Southern England, and somehow they are building high speed rail. And the British aren't exactly known to be great infrastructure builders.

> Besides if not all trains on the network can go this fast you need to increase the interval between trains which you obviously don't want to.

You would use special high speed trains on the new high speed lines and use all the other trains on the other lanes. Just as they will do on HS2.

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Post by bratwurst3000 »

nforgerit wrote: post #280
kitkat_new wrote: post #200

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and bio diesel production is worse for the climate than fossil diesel, because of the amount of agricultural work that needs to be done

Plus in the context of climate change we'll probably need every square-foot of farm field to actually produce food and not fulfill the wet dreams of every Porsche 911 driver which can be very efficiently dealt with by e-mobility.

Its not about „wet dreams of a porsche driver“

Its about the transition phase between now and a full electric vehicle fleet.

Combustion engine will exist in the next 20-40 years.

I am not an expert or sth. If you have links or could expand a bit more on why fossil fuel would be preferable, that would be nice. Thanks

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