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Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

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Early forms of active noise reduction did create the comb filtering effects that you describe, but these were never inaudible. Modern noise reduction is much better about this, however, and higher level products are actually used for hearing protection - this is used in headphones for fighter pilots. The problem isn't the noise cancelling as much as people turning up the volume in loud environments, since earbuds don…

> Early forms of active noise reduction did create the comb filtering effects that you describe, but these were never inaudible. Modern noise reduction is much better about this, however, and higher level products are actually used for hearing protection - ... But surely the physics is the same, is it not? The only thing they can improve is timing and where the doubled waves go. Unless they work by using some other p…

No question that the physics is the same.

I don't have experience in active noise cancelling design, but I would guess that lower latency hardware probably plays a large part in the improvement, given the nature of the problem - a chip set that couldn't 'keep up' with changes in the audio signal would be late in responding, resulting in comb filtering. No doubt, people also improved the algorithms over time too.

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

#192

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> Early forms of active noise reduction did create the comb filtering effects that you describe, but these were never inaudible. Modern noise reduction is much better about this, however, and higher level products are actually used for hearing protection - ... But surely the physics is the same, is it not? The only thing they can improve is timing and where the doubled waves go. Unless they work by using some other p…

No question that the physics is the same. I don't have experience in active noise cancelling design, but I would guess that lower latency hardware probably plays a large part in the improvement, given the nature of the problem - a chip set that couldn't 'keep up' with changes in the audio signal would be late in responding, resulting in comb filtering. No doubt, people also improved the algorithms over time too.

Ok, so the design improvements made sounds more synced, but imho that doesn't solve the problem (it might even make it worse? Not sure...). The combing effect is there because the sources of the sound and the "anti-sound" are not in the same position. Lower latency helps that the signals are perfectly cancelled in some predefined direction, but you still get twice the sound amplitudes at a different angle (towards the head).

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

#195

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There is no cure for hearing damage. Your body can recover from slight damage after a few weeks but generally trauma to hair cells, synapses and auditory nerve is accumulative and overtime they loose their ability to recover. There's currently no way to regenerate these. There was a promising company attempting to do this and they recently announced discontinuation of phase 3 trials as their drug showed no significan…

> There is no cure for hearing damage. There's no silver-bullet cure for hearing damage, but there are cures and effective treatment for the underlying causes, which can result in a cure for hearing damage. The treatment and prognosis is highly dependent on the underlying cause. Cilia damage probably won't be curable until after a lot more stem cell research. Neurological damage is hard to impossible to cure dependin…

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Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

#198

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There is no cure for hearing damage. Your body can recover from slight damage after a few weeks but generally trauma to hair cells, synapses and auditory nerve is accumulative and overtime they loose their ability to recover. There's currently no way to regenerate these. There was a promising company attempting to do this and they recently announced discontinuation of phase 3 trials as their drug showed no significan…

> There is no cure for hearing damage. There's no silver-bullet cure for hearing damage, but there are cures and effective treatment for the underlying causes, which can result in a cure for hearing damage. The treatment and prognosis is highly dependent on the underlying cause. Cilia damage probably won't be curable until after a lot more stem cell research. Neurological damage is hard to impossible to cure dependin…

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Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

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Yeah it can’t be stressed enough, if you go to live events, get concert earplugs and wear them religiously. You hear the music better anyway. It’s been sad to see friends fail to heed this advice. You don’t want to be that person who needs hearing aids at age 50 due to something you could have prevented with a little forethought. Etymotic are great and were my standby for years. Recently upgraded to Earasers on the r…

I recently got earasers, mainly to make it easier to hear people over music (I have auditory processing disorder), however I have found them just to muffle everything, making the music a good level, but speech unbearable. Is this your experience? Wondering because maybe I'm doing something wrong or maybe I chose the wrong level of them (I think I chose the regular EU level).

Somewhat similar experience but I think carrying on a conversation over the music is always going to be iffy, just take it outside.

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

#200
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My AirPod Pros emit some loud, short static noise bursts from time to time. Mostly in situation where there is a single loud noise in the environment.

I think there is a replacement program for this issue - https://support.apple.com/airpods-pro-service-program-sound-...

Thank you! Spoke to Apple support and will now send them in. This seems to be the problem.
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