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Well yes, you're going to see anti-chinese sentiments when they're engaged in Uighur extermination. What did you think would happen?

This post isn’t excusing Chinese actions towards Uighurs, but is heavily critical of anti-Chinese criticisms of their Uighur policy.

Note that Uighurs are majority Muslim and they aren’t all being exterminated (certainly some are), but the primary efforts seem to be making that region and ethnicity much more similar in culture to Han-Chinese. It rings of the “white genocide” and “Jews will not replace us” slogans.

The Chinese government seems to use the 9/11 style “we are monitoring them so they don’t become radical Islamic terrorists”. The government efforts are to destroy practice of Islam, to restrict / deter the spread of Islam and criticisms of the government.

Interestingly the most anti-Chinese people in the US are the ones with the biggest intersection with these policies and claim the US is doing the exact same thing to them.American Christians who claim they aren’t able to practice their faith in the US, while simultaneously insisting that the US is a Christian nation, that Islam shouldn’t be practiced in the US, that Islam creates terrorism, that civil liberties should be rolled back in the efforts to reduce terrorism, and insist that Islamic Sharia law is endemic in the US.

American Anti-Chinese sentiment of the social type seems like a cry bully. There are some far more valid criticisms of the wider social controls and economic policy in China.

Re: Chinese disinformation targeting U.S. features fake people on fake news programs

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This is something that is important to know of; propaganda is not necessarily delivering fake news. It can be foreign actors exploiting a country's problems, e.g., gun violence, racism, pandemic response, religious differences, etc., to sow division among the population. For example, Russian Facebook groups encouraged protests in Texas that riled Christians against supposed Islamization of the state and Muslims to co…

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This reads like satire, but looking through your comments make me believe you're sincere. This here is a great example of when propaganda gets its own life and spreads by itself. Like malware but infecting humans.

Snowden was a russian spy too right? Let's forget the US was breaking its own laws because Russia. So simple.

Re: Chinese disinformation targeting U.S. features fake people on fake news programs

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I find it funny to blame the "Russian organizers" as opposed to the thousands of American people who are members of the groups and showed up on the street to protest and fight. Do you think they were brainwashed for $200 in Facebook ad spend?

People en mass will always have the gullible. It's either "allowing a system that amplifies such misinformation", or "the actors exploiting it", that deserve blame. Why would you care to blame the gullible who don't know any better?

I think you're not giving them credit when claiming they're all gullible. Who says your point of view is the correct one? If we take the analogy to the pandemic with social media putting the stamp of approval on posts confirming their narrative, while flagging official .gov links.

Then the so called gullible are simply normal people asking for open discussion. And some people on their high horses claim they're brainwashed, gullible, russian agents or bots. Now a lot of that so called misinformation is showing to be true, even the far-fetched lab leak with gain-of-function research funded by a US agency, in fucking China.

What's even real anymore. The most important thing humanity can do today is putting higher standards of truth on themselves and their allies instead of knee-jerk reactions and calling the opposite side gullible. They have their arguments if we take a breath and listen. And there's a good chance you're just as brainwashed as those you oppose.

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This reads like satire, but looking through your comments make me believe you're sincere. This here is a great example of when propaganda gets its own life and spreads by itself. Like malware but infecting humans. Snowden was a russian spy too right? Let's forget the US was breaking its own laws because Russia. So simple.

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Scary. Next they might hire two white people, put them in front of a green screen, and do the exact same thing. That will be really terrifying because they won't even need to use deepfakes. Have the Chinese discovered fiverr? They could generate hundreds of these a day.

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Re: Chinese disinformation targeting U.S. features fake people on fake news programs

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Some anecdata: I've seen a big increase in pro-Chinese commentors on the internet in the past year or so. HN especially. It keeps popping up in subtle ways. I'm not saying it's necessarily propaganda or psyops, but we'd be fools to believe China isn't doing that quite extensively. Hell, America does it; we just had a scandal where the military was doing that when they shouldn't have been.

Only in the last year?

It is important to remember the near-global admiration for China's lockdowns during the first year of the pandemic. Highly manufactured. Twitter was a huge incubator for it.

Re: Chinese disinformation targeting U.S. features fake people on fake news programs

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Some anecdata: I've seen a big increase in pro-Chinese commentors on the internet in the past year or so. HN especially. It keeps popping up in subtle ways. I'm not saying it's necessarily propaganda or psyops, but we'd be fools to believe China isn't doing that quite extensively. Hell, America does it; we just had a scandal where the military was doing that when they shouldn't have been.

Look no further than Hollywood which for some reason keeps blatantly peddling pro-Communism

Not nearly blatant enough if you ask me. I'm still waiting for the Tom Cruise sequel Top Gun: Top Marx.

Re: Chinese disinformation targeting U.S. features fake people on fake news programs

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Well yes, you're going to see anti-chinese sentiments when they're engaged in Uighur extermination. What did you think would happen?

This post isn’t excusing Chinese actions towards Uighurs, but is heavily critical of anti-Chinese criticisms of their Uighur policy. Note that Uighurs are majority Muslim and they aren’t all being exterminated (certainly some are), but the primary efforts seem to be making that region and ethnicity much more similar in culture to Han-Chinese. It rings of the “white genocide” and “Jews will not replace us” slogans. Th…

>Note that Uighurs are majority Muslim and they aren’t all being exterminated (certainly some are), but the primary efforts seem to be making that region and ethnicity much more similar in culture to Han-Chinese. It rings of the “white genocide” and “Jews will not replace us” slogans.

This is quite the impressive paragraph. What are you even saying?

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