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Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by AviationAtom »

dijit wrote: post #15
Nextgrid wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, if people are marking your emails as spam frequently enough to get your IPs/domains blacklisted then it suggests the system is working as designed and you shouldn’t be sending whatever you’re sending to those people.

Nah, about 2% of my "Thank you for ordering, here is your receipt" mails also get marked as spam. Some number of people just smack the "spam" button for nearly everything that is automated, and those "spam" buttons seem to work on absolute numbers not percentages; so if you have a high number of people in the pool then you will be false flagged eventually. We had a very explicit double opt-in system, made it super ea…

Call me crazy, but for a problem folks seem to imply has had everything, including the the kitchen sink thrown at it... why do I have yet to see a single email that has the unsubscribe button at the very top, front and center, the absolute first thing I see?

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by hurril »

ChainOfFools wrote: post #45
dijit wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, about 2% of my "Thank you for ordering, here is your receipt" mails also get marked as spam. Some number of people just smack the "spam" button for nearly everything that is automated, and those "spam" buttons seem to work on absolute numbers not percentages; so if you have a high number of people in the pool then you will be false flagged eventually. We had a very explicit double opt-in system, made it super ea…

People who mark things as junk mail or spam typically have no idea that this action can have an upstream impact on spam filtering algorithms. They typically have no idea how any of this stuff works and just assume that the purpose of marking something is spam is to prevent them from seeing any more of it, personally, in the future. It doesn't occur to them that their preference thus exerts a small influence over the…

Oh we do. We just don't want to have your shitty newsletter.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #46

I self host most everything through unRAID. I spent a good amount of money getting a good server setup. The only thing I rely on the cloud for is email. I've gone through several iterations of hardware and hard drive capacity over about 7-8 years now. Hard to imagine I'll ever go back. It's not even about the monthly subscriptions, I've spent more on hardware I'm sure, plus my monthly VPN and Usenet fees. It's really…

What are you spending a significant amount of money on hardware? A used PC is ~$50, assuming you don't already have one. Spinning rust is ~$10/TB:

https://www.amazon.com/HGST-Ultrastar-HUH728080ALE604-3-5-In...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125797516426

It can be done for less than $100, done well for less than $300.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by Svarto »

margorczynski wrote: post #29

As for hosting your own apps I found Hetzner VPS or something similar to be very good. Just pack them up into a docker-compose with your CI/CR pushing an image into a repository and you can host a lot of low-medium traffic solutions on a single box with the cost being a fraction of "the Cloud" (especially PaaS). On the box there is a single Nginx acting as a reverse proxy to the exposed compose ports offloading SSL.…

Do you know of (or used) any guide to get started? I'm reasonably proficient but struggle to put all the moving pieces together

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by nottathrowaway3 »

tedivm wrote: post #14
gwbrooks wrote: post #10

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You can get high deliverability -- the keys, whether you're using your own servers or someone else's come down to a clean list that won't generate complaints and staying within the TOS of your mailserver host or third-party SMTP service. Host your mail-creation/list-management/analytics stack yourself (I like Mautic and MailWizz but there are other options) and use a third party for SMTP services. Amazon SES charges…

I'm not sure why you're getting the downvotes but this is the way for people who want some level of self hosting. I finally gave up hosting my own mail server about two years ago- I had been self hosting email since 2005, but it reached the point where delivery to the big companies was extremely difficult. If someone wants to host their own software but actually have their emails delivered they really do need a third…

You're sending your emails over the internet anyway. You're paying for the reputation of the 3p smtp service and it's a pretty liquid/perfect market.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by dijit »

AviationAtom wrote: post #61
dijit wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, about 2% of my "Thank you for ordering, here is your receipt" mails also get marked as spam. Some number of people just smack the "spam" button for nearly everything that is automated, and those "spam" buttons seem to work on absolute numbers not percentages; so if you have a high number of people in the pool then you will be false flagged eventually. We had a very explicit double opt-in system, made it super ea…

Call me crazy, but for a problem folks seem to imply has had everything, including the the kitchen sink thrown at it... why do I have yet to see a single email that has the unsubscribe button at the very top, front and center, the absolute first thing I see?

It is. It literally is.

Whenever gmail, thunderbird or office365 outlook notices a working unsubscribe link in a message, it puts its own unsubscribe link at the top of the message, right next to the address of the sender's email.

I’m sure you mean the content of the email, but we dont reach out to double opt-in users or transactional emails with an unsubscribe link, since you chose to be there.

The unsubscribe link lives near the bottom of the email along with the link to support, in clear text in a font and colour that matches the content.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by stonewall »

I self-host literally everything (email, calendar/contacts, VOIP, XMPP, you name it) from by basement with used 1U servers from eBay and a cable internet connection.

It was probably more hassle than most people would want to bother with to get it set up. But, with everything up and running, there's very little maintenance. I probably spend a few hours a month tinkering still, just because I enjoy it.

I use a stack of Proxmox VMs, FreeIPA for authn/authz, and Rocky Linux for all servers and workstations. My phone runs GrapheneOS with a Wireguard VPN back to the house. I don't expose anything to the public internet unless absolutely necessary.

I recently anonymized and Ansibilized my entire setup so that others might get some use out of it:

https://github.com/sacredheartsc/selfhosted

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by nickstinemates »

justin_oaks wrote: post #19

I thought this article would go into more than a handful of apps. What apps do you think work well for self-hosting, even if it limited to us tech folk? I've self-hosted Grafana and InfluxDB for monitoring and metrics and found them OK to self host. The authentication and TLS setups were the most annoying. I've self hosted a few kinds of wiki software, but I eventually settled on a combination of a single Tiddlywiki…

A lot of tools get mentioned and resources are available in reddits /r/homelab
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