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ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by aftbit »

rescripting wrote: post #7
juancn wrote: post #5

Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

Isn't this the same argument as "ban murder, not guns"? Murder is illegal, yes, but fatalities are lower in places with gun control than places without.

Yes, which is also a valid argument. Tools have no alignment. The people using them do. Thus, one should regulate the people, not the tools.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by cheeselip420 »

rescripting wrote: post #7
juancn wrote: post #5

Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

Isn't this the same argument as "ban murder, not guns"? Murder is illegal, yes, but fatalities are lower in places with gun control than places without.

The upside potential of guns is not even remotely comparable with AI...

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by felipelemos »

rescripting wrote: post #7
juancn wrote: post #5

Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

Isn't this the same argument as "ban murder, not guns"? Murder is illegal, yes, but fatalities are lower in places with gun control than places without.

In this case it's the opposite: they are trying to ban guns while not making murder a crime.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by bobthepanda »

juancn wrote: post #5

Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

Control may be the wrong thing here.

Every technology, at some point, will inevitably bring questions of legal liability and culpability, and AI has a large tendency to do so because of how applicable it is. It’s not the worst idea to try and get ahead of the problem by defining a legal framework.

Examples of how a free-for-all has resulted in legal questions;

* police and the judiciary in the US have come under fire several times for using proprietary AI to determine things like sentencing or traffic stops

* there is currently a class action lawsuit in Washington state about whether or not price recommendations by a third party’s algorithm constitutes collusion on price-fixing if enough corporate landlords use it

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by ulnarkressty »

Strong AI is a weapon. It will be regulated just like firearms/munitions - see the current EU draft which consists of some hundred pages of forbidding this or that under the guise of ethics and whatnot, after which comes a paragraph of "the above doesn't apply to law enforcement or military entities".

We're still in the early stages of this technology. ChatGPT will be to strong AI like a firecracker is to a BLU-109.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by user249 »

ilkke wrote: post #8
user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

I don't understand how this is "good"? Has your inconvenience been vindicated now that EU is failing to regulate short thing? Is the world somehow closer to fair and balanced now?

I'm suspicious of regulation until a good case is made for it. I'm suspicious of people whose world view is "we must regulate what others do" as their default position. I'm fine with regulation when there is a proven need for it.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by ip26 »

aftbit wrote: post #11
rescripting wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this the same argument as "ban murder, not guns"? Murder is illegal, yes, but fatalities are lower in places with gun control than places without.

Yes, which is also a valid argument. Tools have no alignment. The people using them do. Thus, one should regulate the people, not the tools.

How about harmful tools with no practical uses to the general public? Mortars, tanks, ketamine, ICBM GPS units…

You’re taking an absolutist position, so I’d like to explore it.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by paulcole »

juancn wrote: post #5

Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by ip26 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #3
Magi604 wrote: post #2

This isn't surprising. The speed of technological evolution is far far greater than the speed with which any government can act. By the time the EU revises their AI regulation plans . . . I can't even predict where the cutting edge of AI technology will be at.

Perhaps they need an AI to help write the AI regulations.

Or an AI-informed test. For example, the “reasonable person” test is beautiful in how it adapts to the times. If AI itself provides the test, the test evolves with the state of the art.

For example, perhaps AI subject to regulation XYZ is defined to be any AI which cannot be identified as AI by other AI.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by matchagaucho »

juancn wrote: post #5

Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

Generating deepfakes of politicians before elections are just another example of the many applications of AI, but not necessarily the fault of the tool.

[1] California laws prohibiting deepfakes https://www.dwt.com/insights/2019/10/california-deepfakes-la...

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