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Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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do people do not remember Dr Dos ? if a coyote eats your cat, its probably not an accident. its more likely because it's a coyote and that's what coyotes do. it's in their nature.

As a counter point there is Hanlon's razor > Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Microsoft isn't known to be stupid so that mostly leaves malice in their case.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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I'm one of those people who choose to use FF Nightly. It works with Teams unless you want to make a call or share screen - you need to change the User Agent then. I'm too lazy to do it so I'm using a phone app for calls and complaining to everyone that Teams is crap.

And I mean, it is crap by itself. It is badly thought out, it has its bad moments even on its native platform, its system of teams etc. is confusing and far inferior to the ones used by its competitors. Frankly, if it wasn't MS and their dominant market position/integration with AD, very few people would make the decision to use it for daily work. /rant

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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It would be interesting if Google tweaked their Chromium licensing so that Edge couldn't use it. Then Microsoft wouldn't have a browser at all.

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Wow all low-hanging fruit patent-troll type of stuff :( The patent system is so broken.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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I don't buy that this is accidental. When you write software, you test it on every platform you choose to support. If it doesn't work on a supported platform, then you take the time to fix it before release. It's not an "accident" when the software doesn't work on a platform you didn't bother to test on. That platform is being neglected by policy, not because of some "accident" in the code.

You guys test against non-stable versions of every browser before release?

Nope, and that's a matter of policy. I certainly wouldn't argue it's an "accident" that a site I create doesn't work properly in FF Nightly.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Piggybacking here: Does anyone understand the identity management of Microsoft? Is there any way for me to see all my "accounts" associated with various email addresses and the organizations they belong to?

I haven't been able to access most of the Microsoft ecosystem due to various errors on MS side and I'd really like to get it fixed.

Some customers are inviting me to their teams and I always have to say "sorry, doesn't work"

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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You don't have to invent imaginary scenarios when the one before us does quite well on its own. We are not talking about an individual, we are talking about a faceless megacorp with a storied history of bad faith. Just being a faceless megacorp is reasonable grounds for losing the benefit of the doubt, but one with their history? Ascribing anything other than malice first is plain and simple naïveté.

I'm struggling to see the world from your point of view. Do you honestly believe there's a room full of cigar smoking robber barons somewhere in Redmond who got together and told the devops guy who runs that site to break compatibility with some niche browser's interim builds, because that's the best way to maximize profits? (And somehow these same guys were the ones pulling the strings in 1995?)

Align all the incentives, and you don’t need to have an explicit command. If your product demo is only tested on the company’s browser, no order is necessary to break compatibility, as it will drift away by default. If a team is chastised for having misrendered prototypes, but not for browser compatibility, then it makes sense for an individual to throw in a User Agent check.

It isn’t likely that any one individual is pushing for incompatibility, but that nobody cares about incompatibility. That lack of care about any standards, with “it works” and “it works on our browser/OS/hardware/etc” treated as synonymous, can be part of a company culture.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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I wonder if this has something to do that Microsoft is going to launch a big update for Teams soon [1].

I thought that the update was most about the desktop version who is switching from Electron to Edge Webview2 technology, but maybe it affects also the web version.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/20/23607037/microsoft-teams-...

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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You’re comparing the behavior of a 10 year old with the behavior of grown adults. The guy who bullied your friend in college is probably still a monster today. And here you have a company full of people who were older than that (including grad and doctorate students). If he says the sky is blue you look up. It’s probably cloudy.

I’m about the same age as MS so I’m going to push the analogy. I was 26 in 2000. I hope to God I’m not the same person at 49 after 6 jobs, one failed marriage (and a 12 year current successful one), going through the real estate crash where I lost my shirt, etc.

I really hope I’m not the same person I was in college in 1996

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