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Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by jjgreen » Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 5:16 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #30

behnamoh wrote: post #19

Controversial opinion: I used to like Firefox but at some point you have to accept the reality: No developer likes to have 2 backlogs, one for Chrome and one for FF. IMO It's better to adopt Chromium-based browsers and put pressure on Google to avoid letting it become the sole decision-maker about the web.

Respectfully, I don't care that you have two backlogs. Support the prevailing web-standards or lose me as a customer. I'm already sick of how much I have to kowtow to large companies because they treat developer time as costly, but user time as free.

I think you're looking for "kowtow", however much I enjoy "cow-toe"

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by fatneckbeard » Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 5:16 PM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #47

Looks like someone made a boo-boo it’s simply based on the user agent, w/e string matching they do is too strict they aren’t checking for actual JS/WebASM compatibility or anything like that. Chrome stable with a non standard user agent doesn’t work on via the windows live url but works through the O365 corporate one, same with Safari Mobile without any user agent modification. This to me looks like stupidity more th…

do people do not remember Dr Dos ?

if a coyote eats your cat, its probably not an accident.

its more likely because it's a coyote and that's what coyotes do. it's in their nature.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by prettyStandard » Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 5:16 PM UTC

nerdponx wrote: post #58

Donckele wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 for stupidity

Stupidity is only ever acceptable when it agrees with business objectives. Malice is the sensible default assumption when money is on the line.

"Break it but make it look like a mistake" /s

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by wkat4242 » Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 5:16 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #68

greendude29 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a controversial opinion as much as it is incongruent. > IMO It's better to adopt Chromium-based browsers and put pressure on Google to avoid letting it become the sole decision-maker about the web. But by using chromium/blink-based browsers, you have already taken the pressure off Google. You have already given them what they want, so you've forfeited your hand. For anyone out there who values the swiftly fa…

> For anyone out there who values the swiftly fading open-ness of the Internet, Firefox or other smaller FLOSS browsers are the right tools of choice. Mozilla had their chance at this decades ago and Firefox was the dominant browser against IE, 16 years ago, until they did a deal with Google, fell asleep at the wheel and allowed them to overtake and get sabotaged via Chrome's dominance. The same Mozilla CEO at the ti…

The problem IMO is that Mozilla became a corporation for Firefox. Their goals are now aligned with the parties they're supposed to fight against. Obviously that doesn't work.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by palata » Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 5:16 PM UTC

behnamoh wrote: post #19

Controversial opinion: I used to like Firefox but at some point you have to accept the reality: No developer likes to have 2 backlogs, one for Chrome and one for FF. IMO It's better to adopt Chromium-based browsers and put pressure on Google to avoid letting it become the sole decision-maker about the web.

A good way to put pressure on Google is actually to use Firefox.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by fatneckbeard » Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 5:17 PM UTC

wkat4242 wrote: post #72

plorg wrote: post #56

My organization (which uses Teams) forcibly migrated all Firefox users to Edge a couple of weeks ago and uninstalled FF. They were citing incompatibility with some software and I assumed that meant the new ERP system being adopted by one of the larger departments.

Microsoft is very heavily lobbying organizations to use edge as a standard browser right now. They're doing the same to us. It's really annoying. They're hell-bent on increasing marketshare no matter what.

trying to get rid of a nother IM client at my place. everyone hates it because the one they are replacing is very simple and quick

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by dijit » Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 5:17 PM UTC

palata wrote: post #78

dijit wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're right, but not supporting firefox leads more people to use chrome and suddenly we're living the exact definition of a vicious cycle. FWIW I'm not a firefox user myself, but I am not a fan of Google hegemony in browser tech.

I guess many people are in your situation. If they used Firefox, maybe it would help the "Google hegemony in browser tech" problem?

I use Safari so for now I don't consider myself part of the problem.

Though I do launch Chrome to use Teams (because Teams is mandated by my org and I am too shrill and opinionated to install the desktop client).

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by wkat4242 » Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 5:18 PM UTC

guilhas wrote: post #74

I was using MSTeams this week in Linux, and it was showing everything OK, webcam and audio, but the person on the other side was not receiving webcam image, in Windows. We tried several things, update browsers, Firefox, Chromium, Flatpak... In the end we just made a Jitsi meeting https://meet.jit.si https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-teams/join-a-meeti...

Jitsi is really great yeah. It works in every browser and the video is much smoother than teams' is. I think jitsi favors framerate over quality and teams does the opposite. I really prefer the framerate approach because it makes it feel much more natural, like you're really talking to someone instead of a postage stamp sized picture on the screen.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by jzombie » Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 5:19 PM UTC

behnamoh wrote: post #19

Controversial opinion: I used to like Firefox but at some point you have to accept the reality: No developer likes to have 2 backlogs, one for Chrome and one for FF. IMO It's better to adopt Chromium-based browsers and put pressure on Google to avoid letting it become the sole decision-maker about the web.

What about Safari?

From my experience, most WebRTC issues (i.e. Teams) are involved around Safari instead of Firefox or Chrome, provided the SDP negotiation is sequenced correctly.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by aendruk » Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 5:19 PM UTC

bouke wrote: post #71

aendruk wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the next IE-era the WebKit Wide Web

Doesn’t work in Safari on default settings either, it complains about disabling tracking prevention. No thanks. Also, Safari’s tracking prevention is almost 6 years old by now, support it already. So more like Chromium Wide Web.

Even this remark assumes familiarity with “ITP”, as if it’s some web standard.

https://webkit.org/blog/7675/intelligent-tracking-prevention...