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Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

timcobb wrote: post #158
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #130

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I use public transport to go to work. But it's not really convenient. It takes me about 45 minutes to get there. And that's if everything goes well. Half an hour of that is walking (to and from bus stops) and waiting (you should be several minutes early because busses sometimes leave early themselves, but most of the time they are late). So there's not much reading that can be done. Also, try reading while you're wai…

Is this in the US or Europe?

This is in Europe.

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

hobs wrote: post #174
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use public transport to go to work. But it's not really convenient. It takes me about 45 minutes to get there. And that's if everything goes well. Half an hour of that is walking (to and from bus stops) and waiting (you should be several minutes early because busses sometimes leave early themselves, but most of the time they are late). So there's not much reading that can be done. Also, try reading while you're wai…

"I never sat in heavy traffic because you can easily circumvent that in a car" Having lived in places that actually have heavy traffic (LA) this reads like total bull. Nobody can "easily circumvent" heavy traffic.

You can if the heavy traffic only occurs, e.g., in the center of the city because of ongoing construction. I need to go from A to B. The bus does the trip via C where the traffic jam occurs. By car I can either use route D or E.

We're far away here from the traffic situation in LA or any other real city.

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

skyeto wrote: post #144
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use public transport to go to work. But it's not really convenient. It takes me about 45 minutes to get there. And that's if everything goes well. Half an hour of that is walking (to and from bus stops) and waiting (you should be several minutes early because busses sometimes leave early themselves, but most of the time they are late). So there's not much reading that can be done. Also, try reading while you're wai…

There are ways to avoid having buses stuck in traffic. Dedicated lanes for public transport, getting more people to use public transport rather than cars, and so on. So I'd say it's more often than not a choice in planning if it's convenient compared to using cars or not. (There's also the problem of less developed systems often being less convenient, and because of it not having the funding needed to expand due to l…

Dedicated lanes exist in this city, but not every street has them of course. The line in question also services a street that does not have a dedicated lane. And that's where it sometimes gets stuck in traffic. Funnily, it used to be routed via a different street that actually does have dedicated lanes. But back then the bus got stuck in the narrower street connecting those two.

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Post by dathinab »

_cenw wrote: post #159

I have a love-hate relationship with this. I love it conceptually and I think it's the right model, but it has a lot of problems. For one, people on unemployment benefits don't even have close to 49 Euros allocated to them for transport. They'll likely be overpaying for local trips and continue to not be able to afford long distance trips. And two, the infrastructure here is just not ready for more passengers. The 3…

Handling of very low income situations is separate (and exists in all?/most? areas of Germany), and most areas have their own very low income ticket for much less then 49€. This ticket was never targeting income groups which are already get income related social benefits (through Germany could make a low-income/social version of this ticket in the future).

> The 3 months where the 9-Euro ticket existed,

This was a very unusual situation where there where a lot of dynamics making people take advantage of the ticket at least once in exactly 3 month. Some people did things they normally wouldn't have done because they felt they would else wise lose out. Additionally the month before that time many people did feel constrained and used that time to compensate for the month before.

I wouldn't expect this to be a problem as the dynamics around it are very different. Not limited to 3 month, not that much cheaper then your normal monthly ticket (and especially more expensive then one or two full-day tickets), not hyped up that much, not the first time something like that was possible, etc.

The 9€ ticket was a special event, the 49€ ticket is more an improvement of the daily live expenses and convenience.

I expect many people to buy the 49€ ticket, I don't expect a massive increase in local transportation usage short term (but a constant slow incremental increase due to people slowly changing habits).

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Post by sandworm101 »

jenadine wrote: post #124
sandworm101 wrote: post #62

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Cool, if you live near a rail line in a major city. Not everyone has that luxury. Im standing about 300km from the nearest passenger rail setvice. It is 0530, -25c, and i am about to drive 18km to work (government/military). Trains or even busses are a distant concept here.

If you choose to live in a remote place, you'll also have to bear the costs.

>> If you choose to live in a remote place

Lol. I'm one of a very small group that doesn't have such choices. When you are in the military you literally do not choose where you live. If you get posted to a remote location, you now live in a remote location. If you get posted to a "small" town of 20,000 people that doesn't have train or bus services... you better have a car. And if it is below -30c regularly, and you have to get to work even on those days when the power fails, that car better be gas and not diesel.

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Post by throwaway87915 »

Xylakant wrote: post #152
throwaway87915 wrote: post #148

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Isn't that about the fuel and not the vehicle? If we manufactured diesel out of wood or algae, the same cars would suddenly become very green - in case of algae cultivation for fuel, you can reach carbon negativity (the process net-decreased carbon in atmosphere). This is likely more green than building battery electric vehicles with large capacity. Batteries are great but cars don't need more than 100km of charge. L…

The process cannot be carbon negative unless you sequester the algae somehow. All the carbon the algae captures while growing will be released when they decompose.

It works out carbon negative because pieces of algae fall down to the ocean floor and remain there, as a side effect of algae cultivation. It's a significant number.

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Post by sandworm101 »

kehrin wrote: post #102
sandworm101 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, if you live near a rail line in a major city. Not everyone has that luxury. Im standing about 300km from the nearest passenger rail setvice. It is 0530, -25c, and i am about to drive 18km to work (government/military). Trains or even busses are a distant concept here.

Whats the point of this comment? You're obviously an extreme outlier. Are you implying the 49€ ticket is bad because it isn't an improvement for every single citizen?

To illustrate that there are many people in this world who do not have many transportation options. People should not make blanket statements about how people should opt for "green" or more safe options when there are lots of people out there for whom there are no such alternatives. Trains are great, but only where they are available. The transportation revolution has to accommodate everyone, not just those in conveniently dense cities.

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Post by radiator »

ranit wrote: post #138
NGC404 wrote: post #87

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it indeed is hardly possible. See: https://www.openrailwaymap.org/

I just realized (from this site) how minimal railway system is in Greece and South Italy.

In Greece the railway might be minimal but at the same time it is very deadly.

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Post by dathinab »

patrickmcnamara wrote: post #45
morelisp wrote: post #11

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It's nearly half of what a monthly ticket for just Berlin's public transit costs.

Berlin currently has a 29 € ticket which is much more interesting if you don't travel the rest of Germany often. Hopefully it gets extended beyond April.

> Hopefully it gets extended beyond April.

Very unlikely, it was explicitly meant to only be a transition ticket until the thing which now became the 49€ ticket is ready. In a certain way it was a (expensive) publicity stunt of the local government.

Through for very low income people there is a separate even cheaper ticket, through only Berlin AB.

There is no way they will permanently reduce the price of the VBB Ticket below that of the 49€ ticket AFIK.

Ironically the reason the 49€ ticket is a thing and cost 49€ and not more is because they assume most people don't travel Germany too much and will buy the ticket from their local transportation provider and in turn the "use where vs. bought where" ratio will somewhat average out to a point where with a bit sampling when checking for tickets you can fairly handle the resource allocation (through then it not being a free market but a state subvention-ed one plays a big role, too).

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

Quanttek wrote: post #142
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use public transport to go to work. But it's not really convenient. It takes me about 45 minutes to get there. And that's if everything goes well. Half an hour of that is walking (to and from bus stops) and waiting (you should be several minutes early because busses sometimes leave early themselves, but most of the time they are late). So there's not much reading that can be done. Also, try reading while you're wai…

considering that short journey time, have you thought about biking?

I also bike to work when the weather allows it. The trip by bike takes slightly longer than the one by bus.
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