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Re: Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops

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Post by jwhitlark »

sukuriant wrote: post #32
ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #3

The problem here is what are they going to find that ISN'T Illegal? Everyone has cracked software, pirated movies, & torrents. Then there's content that isn't illegal but very personal: chat logs, email archives, contact lists, usernames & passwords, FTP info, master passwords to everything, OH and my entire life's worth of inventions and ideas. I'm not saying they'd steal them but remember, we're talking about the A…

> Everyone has cracked software, pirated movies, & torrents. I make it a point to not have pirated movies. I torrent linux distributions and free music (OC Remix); and I buy my software or use free alternatives. It may be true that most people have cracked software, pirated movies and [illegal] torrents, but it's not everyone.

I don't even think most people have those things. Many, sure, but while I am on your end of the spectrum (free software, etc.), many people don't care, or can't be bothered to get those thing, morals aside.

Re: Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops

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Post by losethos »

compression, not encryptian.

http://www.losethos.com/LTHtml/OSMain/Compress.html

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Re: Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops

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Post by icebraining »

kibwen wrote: post #34
Simucal wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious what the courts would say when told that it is possible to have a hidden inner volume that is impossible to detect and when I hand over my key it may just be the outer containers, not the hidden inner container that I have unlocked.

My gut reaction to this article was that something like what you've described must exist, although I wasn't certain if it was possible to completely hide a volume from an intimate inspection. What tools are you referring to?

Truecrypt: http://www.truecrypt.org/hiddenvolume

Without the right password, there's no way to tell if there's an hidden volume, since the result of the encryption is indistinguishable from pure random data.

Re: Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops

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Post by burgerbrain »

jwhitlark wrote: post #38
burgerbrain wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is quite a leap to assume that anything more than a minority don't have things like that.

That's not a leap at all. Many people don't have things like that, either for moral reasons, or there just don't care. Of the four computers I maintain for others, none of them has anything on your list. You can despise the MPAA without downloading movies. Just as you can desire privacy without committing any crimes.

Many? Yes, I agree. Most? I personally highly doubt it. I don't think I've known a single person since the late 90s who doesn't on at least rare occasion download or otherwise acquire unlicensed music.

Sure there are some, and when you consider the population of the world is several billion that "some" can become "many" without really saying anything about the majority.

Re: Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops

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Post by [deleted] »

Karunamon wrote: post #21
Simucal wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TrueCrypt supports Hidden OS partitions much like its normal hidden containers and it asks for these passwords at boot. You could enter one password and have it boot into a boring Windows XP environment while the true password would boot to your actual environment with all your secret files.

There's the file time problem, though. Okay, let's say you're Joe Randomguy and you keep two XP partitions. One that you actively use and might have all manner of contraband on it, and another "boring" one for showing any would-be snoopers. It's Jan 2012. What do you think is going to happen when they see that the one you gave up the code to hasn't been touched since July 2011? Does Truecrypt have an option to not re…

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Re: Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops

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Post by weekendlogic »

ChrisNorstrom wrote: post #20
shasta wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...unless Chris Norstrom is your real name and they know how to use a search engine to find this post.

Remember, who we're talking about here. They're not exactly CSI agents. If someone really wants to smuggle data or keep it secret they WILL find a way. They could just cram it all on a MicroSD and put it under their tongue, or between their butt crack, super glued behind their scrotum, lodged up into their vagina, buried in their rectum, etc.... The methods are endless. This won't catch terrorists or pedophiles, it'l…

Or simply use the internet.

This is digital data we are talking about, there are much more effective means of moving it about.

Re: Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops

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Post by shinratdr »

jwhitlark wrote: post #38
burgerbrain wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is quite a leap to assume that anything more than a minority don't have things like that.

That's not a leap at all. Many people don't have things like that, either for moral reasons, or there just don't care. Of the four computers I maintain for others, none of them has anything on your list. You can despise the MPAA without downloading movies. Just as you can desire privacy without committing any crimes.

Not having even one pirated anything (song, movie, show, book or software) on any of your machines is not the norm at all.
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