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How Can A Free Conference Call Be Free?

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Re: How Can A Free Conference Call Be Free?

#61
post #45

This type of scam is big business in rural Iowa (and I'm sure other areas). I used to work in rural northwest Iowa. We had a "programmer" (to use it loosely) quit to work for a company who's sole purpose was to abuse this system. They ran a "phone company" in a small town and then connected a big asterisk box at their local exchange to accept free conference calls. They then installed smaller asterisk boxes in other…

phone line arbitrage. brilliant!

Re: How Can A Free Conference Call Be Free?

#62
post #7

Pretty fascinating...the OP describes the regulation as "outdated"...but are there rural companies that depend on it? Or is it truly outdated and due for a change?

Might handle the problem by putting the termination fees on a sliding scale based on call volume. Telco lines are fixed assets, if one line is getting millions of calls then the cost of that line should be amortized faster than assumed in the region-wide termination fee. There will be complaints that revision will kill jobs in rural areas. Thus does the regulatory state accumulate, and willfully retain, misallocation…

An even easier way to handle it is to simply make conference calls on rural lines not get paid.

If the call is not ultimately terminated at an actual human resident of the area then no termination fee shall be paid.

Re: How Can A Free Conference Call Be Free?

#64
post #2

This seems like a good example of SEO-driven linkbait. It's not quite spam -- the story is interesting, if not exactly breaking news -- but I'm pretty sure the main goal is to get inbound links to feefighters.com

I'm surprised you got downvoted so much. I thought that too.

Re: How Can A Free Conference Call Be Free?

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, the cost of the government putting in those lines plus the cost of the inefficiency and corruption attached to government action still need to be paid. Which means the people have less money to buy the cheaper food. Not only is government money not free, it happens to be some of the most expensive and inefficient money available.

Is this a valid rebuttal of your point? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/09/1053022/-Medicare-i...

not at all... medicare is cheaper than private insurance because hospitals that receive public funds are required to accept it. In that case, private industry (and you and I) are subsidizing medicare. That doesn't equate to well run

Re: How Can A Free Conference Call Be Free?

#66
post #12

That explains why I can never connect using Vonage. Thanks. I always wondered about this, but not enough to dig into the details. Interesting.

It bothers me that the VOIP providers don't, say, play a special message explaining the issue. If it's not illegal for them to block these numbers, then why not at least explain themselves? Perhaps they could offer at-cost connections? "Press 1 if you are willing to pay $0.08/minute for this call"

I agree that a message would be helpful. I've learned to blindly accept it as an isolated technical issue. I'm accustomed to grabbing my cell for conference calls now.

Re: How Can A Free Conference Call Be Free?

#67
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the [current] 4 replies, but why-o-why is eli downvoted for this opinion? It's not spam/troll, it's not badly put, it's not a priori based on a falsehood. Do not downvote for mere disagreement. /grrrr

Eli is not adding anything to the discussion. S/he is not disputing the content of the article; just the motive. Are we going to have an SEO discussion about every article that makes it to the frontpage?

I can respect not wanting to have constant meta-discussions about each submission, but I think SEO is an interesting topic in its own right. Especially the sneaky-but-still-white-hat type. I'm not even sure there's necessarily anything wrong with it; it's ultimately based on creating content that people want to read. (I didn't flag this article, for example. It's an interesting story.)

But I think it's worthwhile to note that this post was almost surely written with the primary intent of boosting page rank as a sort of guerilla SEO.

Re: How Can A Free Conference Call Be Free?

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post #5
post #2

This seems like a good example of SEO-driven linkbait. It's not quite spam -- the story is interesting, if not exactly breaking news -- but I'm pretty sure the main goal is to get inbound links to feefighters.com

Inbound links are the indirect goal of every blogger. I found the article to be very informative about the details of a business segment I wasn't familiar with. What makes this article different than others?

People blog for many different reasons. I would argue that posts written to generate linkbacks and boost page rank are actually relatively unusual. I think most blog posts are either written to directly promote something on-site or to bring in direct revenue through ad impressions or because, ya know, the person just has a story to tell or an ego to stroke.

Re: How Can A Free Conference Call Be Free?

#69

Interesting, I dint know that. I had an interesting experience with ATT. I was into the 6 month of a 2year contract back in 2007. I wasn't using my phone much (non-iphone). But then I went on a road trip to Yellowstone, which included driving through ND, SD, MT and WY. During this 7 day trip, I was using my phone a lot (work + personal). The total amount of minutes I spent in those 7 days were way more than my usual…

So if I call into one of these conference lines for 30 hours per month using my unlimited minute time, Verizon will let me out of my contract?!

Re: How Can A Free Conference Call Be Free?

#70
post #5
post #2

This seems like a good example of SEO-driven linkbait. It's not quite spam -- the story is interesting, if not exactly breaking news -- but I'm pretty sure the main goal is to get inbound links to feefighters.com

Inbound links are the indirect goal of every blogger. I found the article to be very informative about the details of a business segment I wasn't familiar with. What makes this article different than others?

There are already plenty of well-written articles on the Web about traffic pumping; why did FeeFighters choose to write yet another article (probably heavily cribbed from others without attribution) instead of just linking to an existing one? For the juice.

Given that so many links on HN follow this pattern, however, I don't think this subthread is very useful.

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