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Post by neoromantique »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #418
neoromantique wrote: post #390

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>for Desktop it is trivial to build a PC that runs significantly faster for a fraction of the price. Is it though?

Mac Mini m2 pro with decent ram and storage starts at 2000. According to apple current intel and amd chips are faster but much less efficient (ignoring how to define that for now). If you are the "mini" target customer, 2000 will buy you lots of PC hardware. The article list an m1 ultra with 128gb of ram, so 6000 or so. Not sure what the target market for this is, but the intersection of "4000 does not cut it" and "I…

>current intel and amd chips are faster

These are close to 2k for CPU alone AFAIK.

I must admit though I am biased as I am yet to find a fault or reason for an upgrade in my original M1 machine, and I had dual xeon workstation prior to that.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by lloeki »

NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #196
pxc wrote: post #102

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> Even on MacOS side QEMU does not support Rosetta 2. Is Rosetta 2 that much faster than QEMU's own translation? Why?

> Is Rosetta 2 that much faster than QEMU's own translation Oh yes. Based on the benchmarks I've seen it's a good 30-40% faster on compute workloads. I assume that the pre-transpilation of the binaries is advantageous relative to having to virtualize the CPU.

Anecdata: on my workloads it's near-native† vs ~10x slower for QEMU

† actually not measured, but compared to the order of magnitude on the other side it's about that, eyeballed against the same code on aarch64.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by astrange »

josephcsible wrote: post #426
astrange wrote: post #271

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Speakers are just things that move when you send electricity to them. It's not hard to blow up something like that if you try, especially if they heat up over time.

Then why isn't this a problem with the built-in speakers of any non-Apple device?

It is, you're just not trying hard enough or you're using the official drivers that are software limiting it.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by satysin »

josephd79 wrote: post #438
satysin wrote: post #352

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> Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Indeed macOS is the weakest part when working on Apple Silicon. Sure it’s quite pretty but it stumbles over itself with terrible quality of life features. macOS looks modern but feels around ten years behind other desktops now. Apple love to talk about how professionals and power users can get so much work done with the amazing Apple Silicon but igno…

I use an ultra wide with my M1 Pro. It’s actually pretty great. I agree on the on the windows manager. I use rectangle app for that.

Exactly, you need a third-party tool for better management via snapping and sensible hotkeys.

Windows, Gnome, KDE, etc. have all these things for years. Perhaps even over a decade by now?

Microsoft even go one further with Fancy Zones in their PowerToys pack which is fantastic on very large/wide monitors.

I wish Apple would add the functionality of apps like Rectangle/Magnet/Fancy Zones with some additional options such as layouts. That would be far more useful than whatever they were trying to achieve with Stage Manager on macOS.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by Gigachad »

josephcsible wrote: post #426
astrange wrote: post #271

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Speakers are just things that move when you send electricity to them. It's not hard to blow up something like that if you try, especially if they heat up over time.

Then why isn't this a problem with the built-in speakers of any non-Apple device?

They either cap them at the “always safe” level which results in much less volume, or you actually can blow them up but you just haven’t played the right sound to trigger it.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by [deleted] »

microtonal wrote: post #304
jeswin wrote: post #235

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> 8 hours on a M1 Macbook, so that's better than most/all x86 laptops with Linux It is makes no sense to compare an $1k/$2k M1 Macbook with random laptops. Those laptops exist because people want to run MS Word or Excel for $400. That's the feature. Various System76 laptops, Thinkpads (among many other laptops recommended by Linux users) give you battery life comparable to macOS on the M1.

I had a ThinkPad T14 AMD and the battery life on Linux was very mediocre, even after tuning with powertop. It was usually 2-4 hours, on Windows more like 8-9 hours.

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Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by yencabulator »

flkiwi wrote: post #416
microtonal wrote: post #304

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I had a ThinkPad T14 AMD and the battery life on Linux was very mediocre, even after tuning with powertop. It was usually 2-4 hours, on Windows more like 8-9 hours.

Conversely, I'm on a Gen 8 X1, and on Silverblue with tlp replacing power-profiles-daemon, I routinely get 8-9 hours. Anecdata and whatnot, but I'm pretty happy with modern linux + modern hardware. That's not to say I wouldn't love to get my hands on an M1 macbook to see the difference though...

It's almost as if "Linux" said very little about what software people are running, in what configuration.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by yencabulator »

notpushkin wrote: post #353
mouse_ wrote: post #244

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That's why I like trackpoint. Mouse without as much as moving your fingers from the home row.

I like the idea behind trackpoint, but I just can't get used to it. Any tips?

It really helps if you set up your environment to mostly not need accurate clicks. For example, avoid needing to grab window title bars or corners, use keyboard-driven window managers. Use keyboard commands instead of clicking buttons. When I last used a Thinkpad, the only time I had to aim at all was clicking links on web pages. I still used the trackpoint to switch active window, but it was a "shove toward upper right", not aiming the pointer at anything (I liked the spatial aspect of it, compared to keybindings).

I also had it configured to move significantly faster on strong input, and slow down with gentle input.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by timbit42 »

tracker1 wrote: post #10
usr1106 wrote: post #5

Depending on the country you live earth overshoot day is pretty soon. 128GB of RAM and other specs for a workstation certainly sound like overshoot. I'd wish smart people would use their brains and saving resources instead of wasting them.

640K aught to be enough for anybody.

Who said that? No one.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by neop1x »

sofixa wrote: post #348
arcosdev wrote: post #303

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Point me at a processor as good as the M1 and I'll buy it

Define good? An AMD Ryzen 7 6900HS has similar single-core performance, much better multi-core performance for slightly worse power efficiency, compared to an M2. Add in the added advantage of flexibility (you can buy different hardware and switch it up like add RAM and disk and GPUs to your liking) and the fact you can run more things on it (e.g. game), and it's pretty "good". Is it better than an M2? Depends on wha…

>> slightly worse power efficiency

I don't believe it. My M2 Max maxes at around 40W. x86 just isn't that power efficient. You can idle with only one/few economy core turned on running at the lowest power state for longer battery life but x86 is simply very hungry when running high loads and it can't be magically improved. The arch is just obsolete and legacy.

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