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Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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> Marriages are fundamentally just a societal complication of a relationship - complete with dubious legal consequences and a not a sure thing that can end. Or, alternatively marriage is the fundamental glue of society and the germ of new life across the vastness of time and in basically every culture through disasters and war. One of these perspectives is fair to the most ancient institution.

Depends what society you talk about too. Marriage isn’t integral to all societies, so much as monogamous partnership is (excluding some rare poly societies). You also don’t need marriage to procreate , and several societies are built around the concept of children raised by the community. That said, marriage is certainly the most persistent form of long term bond in history, but it’s not always borne out of mutual de…

It absolutely is and you should reconsider your filter bubble

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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I am 47M and can relate to what you are feeling. U might be hitting Mid Life Crisis a little early. ( A few of my younger friends experienced it too)

There could be imposter syndrome where you feel like you do not deserve the good things which you have.

1) Take very good care of your health as you might start to disregard your body signals. 2) Weather this out using meditation. ( I used Breathing techniques called Pranayama ) Find if you might like a Vipassana retreat in Bangalore or perhaps Isha Foundation or whatever technique suites you. 3) Keep connection with School friends alive 4) If you did not get Married consider yourself lucky. It is fast loosing its appeal for long run and laws have simply not kept up with feminists in full swing. (Hormonal imbalance makes us think in wierd ways about opposit sex)

Hope this helps. S

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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If you’re not poopin your pants, you’re not at rock bottom yet.

But… I have some experience. Divorced, remarried, work was shit. Couldn’t focus or concentrate and felt burnt out. Finally I go into the doc for help with dealing with the ex (omg stressful) and discovered I had a pile of health issues, including a tumor (not cancer) that decided to flood my system with a stress hormone. That’s been removed, but things aren’t back to 100%.

I was on TRT, but that was stopped recently cuz it turned my blood into gear oil (hematocrit levels in the mid 50s). It helped to a point, at least where I got the habit of going to the gym and being active again.

I suspect I’m low on growth hormone due to symptoms matching up, but I’m not the endo - that appointment is in June.

I’ve had to completely restrict distractions at work. The only IMs I let in are from fam or a few close friends. Non work slacks are turned off, etc.

Get yourself a good work up, check all your hormone levels. And get active. Walk, run, ride a bike, lift heavy things, whatever works for you. Just do it.

Don’t wait until you’re middle aged to find out your body is a wreck and try to fix it.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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I think they mean something like Canada's "common law marriage" as an alternative. You never actually marry. No institutional stuff. No expensive dress to fuss over and never wear again. No huge expensive party for a lot of people that you actually don't like but have to invite. No expensive "honeymoon" vacation that has to be super special and that everyone around you wants to fuss about. No other expensive big part…

I can see how that approach would be attractive, since it is more convenient. But there is a cultural significance to ritual that makes life events more meaningful, and hence, more durable. If you don't treat it as a life-ling treatment, there is less of a chance you will treat it as such for 50 years.

I can see how the corset of tradition, social pressure and law can make marriage "more durable" of course. If you're facing eternal damnation and being ousted from the only social circle you know unless you marry before ever having sex and everyone around you does the exact same thing then of course many if not most people will endure all but the very worst marriages.

I'm glad this is finally past us in at least some places in the world. Unfortunately not everywhere. Not even in Canada or the US and other such countries.

I think the 50+% divorce rate in itself isn't the bad thing. It's not the root cause. It's just a statistic that shows how unhappy a lot of marriages have always been. But until recently-ish (and still in some places) people couldn't get out of it and endured it all and you can't tell me that they were better off that way.

You can treat "it" as a life-long treatment without all the pressures and the paper and all the other stuff.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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I believe everybody has answers to find… and happiness is elusive.

But seriously this is almost too selfish.

It is almost making me sick and angry simultaneously, and I didn't know that was possible. The downvotes will only represent my ability to swim up stream or as my friends Bad Religion might say “against the grain”.

Here is my recommendation since you are asking:

1. Volunteer at a homeless shelter or soup kitchen 2. Go tutor, some undereducated children with your advanced Ph.D. 3. Sit in on a big AA meeting (you don't even have to be an alcoholic) 4. Put your loose change in a parking meeting as you walk down the street 5. Walk along the streets and pick up trash, to make the world a better place 6. Go to the gym 7. Give someone you don't know a nice compliment 8. Play sports 9. Become a big brother or sister at big brother organization 10. Suck it up 11. Remove yourself from social media

Therapy is great, but there are other parts to the equation.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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It feels like the world is ending when you break up with someone so significant. Everything seems worse.

I've heard many stories where the grind of a PHD breaks people.That stress must make this harder.

You're probably doing way better than it feels. You're in a PHD program to start. Academically that puts you in a very small percentage of the population. Just to make it that far shows you're smart and hardworking.

You're only 28. I know it feels scary when you're 20s are near the end but you are so young. I didn't get married until I was 34. You have lots of time to develop relationships. Many haven't even had one serious relationship at 28.

I know this must feel terrible but your current rock bottom is higher up than many people will ever get to. You are doing great and your future looks very bright.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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> I've also started therapy 2 months ago, but it's going slow and it hasn't been very useful yet. My #1 piece of advice is, find a new therapist. Therapy isn't one size fits all. You need to not only find the right type of "modality" for you (e.g. CBT and IFS* are worlds apart, generally you want somebody "integrative/eclectic" who will combine the right modalities for you), but you also simply need to find somebody…

This can also be a pattern of avoidance.

If you are challenged and you dont want to face the hard issues you quit and find another one.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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It feels like the world is ending when you break up with someone so significant. Everything seems worse. I've heard many stories where the grind of a PHD breaks people.That stress must make this harder. You're probably doing way better than it feels. You're in a PHD program to start. Academically that puts you in a very small percentage of the population. Just to make it that far shows you're smart and hardworking. Y…

Thanks for the encouragement!

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marriage isn’t really a solution to any of the problems you state. Divorce is a very real outcome of marriage, as are prenups. Many countries also have rules around care for a previous partner by means of common law partnership etc… Married people often don’t work towards the same goals anymore than unmarried couples. Marriage can also be a form of entrapment for abused individuals, a means for political gain or forc…

"Imho you have a very idealized perception of marriage that doesn’t line up with the various shades of grey in reality." I appreciate you letting me know about reality as I have led a sheltered life with no real world experience. I've been alive and married (20+ years) for longer than I was alive and single. Its been pretty ideal. How long were you married for before you learned these things and formed your real worl…

You’re takin this far too personally to have any sort of productive discussion but here it goes against my better judgement.

Saying that marriage is not as important to society has no bearing on what value marriage should mean to you. I also never said that marriage is bad, or not for me. I’m married myself, but like I said, i saw it as a vow of love not a societal contract, unlike your statements that were all matters of societal contract that are neither solved by marriage but are also provided for by common law partnerships.

You inferred something because you took things too personally and saw things in the argument that weren’t there because you clearly took it as a personal attack.

In fact, your marriage is largely irrelevant to the discussion altogether since it’s purely anecdotal and doesn’t expand to the entirety of the human population, let alone the population of a single country like the USA where 1/5 of first time wed couples end in divorce, and who knows what percent of the remaining 4/5 include forced marriage or abuse.

Like I said, I’m married and I don’t think marriage is bad. But I’m also not so arrogant or narcissistic to extend my own life choices and extrapolate them to being integral to society.

I’m also not so narcissistic as to ascribe the success of marriage to the value of the people in the marriage. People change with time. Circumstances change. Marriage shouldn’t be a chain holding people together for eternity to the detriment of each person.

Also to be clear, I’m not saying you’re being a narcissist, though I do think your world view is clearly projected from your life choices based on your response but that’s not enough to judge someone online. Im saying that if I extrapolated my choices to others I’d consider myself a narcissist. Before you reply saying that I’m calling people names.

Marriage as a societal contract is archaic. I didn’t say it was dumb historically (marriage has a long and varied history, where love was often never a factor but made sense for the time), but it is archaic. Those aren’t synonyms.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends what society you talk about too. Marriage isn’t integral to all societies, so much as monogamous partnership is (excluding some rare poly societies). You also don’t need marriage to procreate , and several societies are built around the concept of children raised by the community. That said, marriage is certainly the most persistent form of long term bond in history, but it’s not always borne out of mutual de…

It absolutely is and you should reconsider your filter bubble

Great rebuttal.

Should we continue by saying “no it isn’t/yes it is, you’re wrong” repeatedly at each other then?

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