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I think of the Turing test as just another game, like chess or Go. It’s not a captcha or a citizenship test. Making an AI that can beat good players would be a significant milestone. What sort of achievement is letting the AI win at a game, or winning against incompetent players? So of course you play to win. If you want to adjust the difficulty, change the rules giving one side or the other an advantage.

I was confused by your first reply at first. I think that's because you are answering a different question from a number of other people. You're asking about the conditions under which and AI might fool people into thinking it was a human, whereas I think others are considering the conditions under which a human might consistently emotionally attach to an AI, even if the human doesn't really think it's real.

Yeah, I think the effect they are talking about is like getting attached to a fictional character in a novel. Writing good fiction is a different sort of achievement.

It's sort of related since doing well at a Turing test would require generating a convincing fictional character, but there's more to playing well than that.

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I am running it in docker to be safe, which works just fine.

Docker escapes exist and if this was released by spooks then including sandbox escapes is par. Unlikely for sure but your confidence is naïve.

I’m aware that they exist. I figured if someone inserted a hack they wouldn’t bother with docker escapes as they would catch plenty of people who run it without docker. I figured it was a calculated risk.

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If read is 1GB/s then it takes 20s to infer across a 20GB model. That's 3 tokens a minute.

Yeah I'm not sure what kind of math I was subscribed to yesterday, thanks

:-) I keep saying that we don't have to stop AI from hallucinating, we only need to bring the rate to below human level.

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At the end of the day, the Turing Test for establishment of AI personhood is weak for two reasons. 1. We're seeing more and more systems that get very close to passing the Turing Test but fundamentally don't register to people as "People." When I was younger and learned of Searle's Chinese Room argument, I naively assumed it wasn't a thought experiment we would literally build in my lifetime. 2. Humanity has a histor…

Human beings have a weird and wide range of empathy, being capable of not treating humans as humans, while also having great sentimental attachment to stuffed animals, marrying anime characters, or having pet rocks. In the nearer term, it seems plausible that AI personhood may seem compelling to splinter groups, not to a critical mass of people. The more fringe elements advocate for the "personhood" of what people ge…

> the "personhood" of what people generally find to be implausible bullshit generators

If this was the dividing line for personhood, many human beings wouldn't qualify as people.

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I'm not surprised-- I recently suggested that someone might try to pull an Aaron Swartz with the LLAMA weights (i.e., release them in an uncontrolled way similar to how Aaron attempted to release the JSTOR database). It's quite misleading for FB to claim that they are being so open, but then hoard the weights and only release it to a few academics. If the paper is to be believed, this is a major development, allowing…

it's really easy to get access to the weights, I got access to them as a master's student with just a single very minor publication in the domain, and basically all my colleagues who applied did too.

there is no Aaron Schwartz thing here, a huge amount of of people will have them, someone was going to leak for sure

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4090, about 10 seconds to load the weights and another 15 seconds to generate all the completions from the example script

Yikes, thanks I have a 2060 and I am too afraid and poor to buy a 4090 after import duties and taxes in a tropical country

I could drop the batch size to 5, then the VRAM use seemed to be around 15GB. Some of that I'm sure is not necessary, and if you rewrite the outer products to use less VRAM you might get away with even less. Eventually someone will make a library so you can run it without extra work.

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Yikes, thanks I have a 2060 and I am too afraid and poor to buy a 4090 after import duties and taxes in a tropical country

I could drop the batch size to 5, then the VRAM use seemed to be around 15GB. Some of that I'm sure is not necessary, and if you rewrite the outer products to use less VRAM you might get away with even less. Eventually someone will make a library so you can run it without extra work.

Yeah true, do you think that it a realistic expectation though? I ask this given the events that have led to the leaking of the models. I am genuinely not sure what the optics / real world ramifications are of being publicly associated with projects that leverage models obtained via torrents through either hacking or negligence.

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I could drop the batch size to 5, then the VRAM use seemed to be around 15GB. Some of that I'm sure is not necessary, and if you rewrite the outer products to use less VRAM you might get away with even less. Eventually someone will make a library so you can run it without extra work.

Yeah true, do you think that it a realistic expectation though? I ask this given the events that have led to the leaking of the models. I am genuinely not sure what the optics / real world ramifications are of being publicly associated with projects that leverage models obtained via torrents through either hacking or negligence.

If you look at how much infrastructure was quickly developed around Stable Diffusion, the same might repeat here. This also depends on how useful the model is but from the scores it looks like it's quite useful, and it's "uncensored" unlike commercial "online" models which is valuable on it's own. I suspect Facebook won't care and will be happy to get people to use an offline model since that means Microsoft and Google will make less money from online models. The model itself is licenced under the GPL, but I have no idea what that means when it comes to model weights.

Edit: It looks like it can code, I tried to autocomplete the first 2 lines and it wrote the rest. Local Github Copilot here we come?:

    //find index of element in sorted array in O(log(N)) time using binary search
    int find_idx(int a[N], int element) {
        int low = 0, high = N-1;
        while (low 

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How pricey would you estimate?

If you want to do it the cheap way by buying used stuff, the most expensive parts are: - $2000 for a Threadripper 3xx5WX with a socket sWRX8 mainboard - $5000 for 6x RTX 3090 - $350 for two 1500W PSUs - $700 for 256GB RAM You will also need PCIe extenders and perhaps some watercooling. And find a suitable case. The 2-card NVLink bridges are between $100 and $300 each (you nay want 3). All in all i think less than $10…

Would rather put that in AWS.
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