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Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

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There are so many variables to this it's obnoxious. What do you define as loud? Are you using them in ANC? Is it regular Airpods or Airpods Pro? Do you notice tinnitus after using ear plugs for a while? When listening to music other ways? I have tinnitus due to ear infections when I was younger. In my subjective experience, my AirPod Pro's have not changed it in any meaningful way. I use them enough that I have two p…

the basic answer is that tinnitus is inflammation. so in order we reduce inflammation is either sumpplementation of food or avoidance of behavior that induces that response so the avoidance is possible through strength and conditioning like another commentor mentioned tensor tympani muscle activation is primary defense. secondary would be healthy diet. furthermore : a device that augments noise cancellation invokes a third princiople regarding muscles use it or lose it.

theres a single cause to this which is damage to cilary hairs now under my own subjective belief is that these are a growable or compensatable based on the outcome of blind patients with increased hearing ability

conclusion: ears do heal if the body is subjected with significant stress invoking amplitude same with any other possiblw ailment

also finally since this was orignal about ringing in ears. this is overcomeable the ringing might be there still but the closest analogy i can give is layering. the human mind can extroplolate patterns amplify them

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

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I don't use AirPods specifically but every pair of ANC headphones I've used all exhibit that pressure that I feel but can't hear. I wish there was a way to dial down the ANC amount for less effective cancellation along with less ambient pressure. If I really want quiet like on a plane, I'll use non-ANC earbuds with good passive isolation and put a light pair of Bose cancellation headphones with no signal over top.

Bose headphones have a companion app (Bose Connect) that lets you choose between 4 levels of ANC (including no ANC).

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

#53
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ummmm. ANC attenuates certain frequencies and fails to attenuate other frequencies. Which you would end up hearing anyway if you weren’t wearing the headphones. So effectively the sound power reaching your ears didn’t change for those frequencies. I have worked on ANC systems in automotive applications.

> Ummmm Serious question, because I see it so often: what are these fillers meant to achieve?

They are a attempt to replicate, in written form, the rhythm of conversation that is typically encountered when two or more people speak in person, face to face.

The "Ummmm" we see in the present example, expresses doubt in what was just said (written, really), and foreshadows that the statement to follow (from speaker #2) may be disagreeable to the other person (speaker #1).'

Similarly, it is not uncommon to find the word "Hmmm" as a preface to some statement. This expresses a notion of "I will need to think about this." But in some contexts, "Hmmm" can convey skepticism. In real-life conversation, people frequently exploit this ambiguity, as a clever way to signal that they are skeptical but will not state so out loud.

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

#54

I don't use AirPods specifically but every pair of ANC headphones I've used all exhibit that pressure that I feel but can't hear. I wish there was a way to dial down the ANC amount for less effective cancellation along with less ambient pressure. If I really want quiet like on a plane, I'll use non-ANC earbuds with good passive isolation and put a light pair of Bose cancellation headphones with no signal over top.

The Sony XM5 and Nuraphones both offer variable levels of ANC. The XM5s also show the estimated dynamic pressure as you're playing audio in the companion app.

Not nearly enough people talk or are aware of dynamic pressure and how important it is.

By far my favourite headphones are the Ultrasone Signature Pros - they're wired and non-ANC but very low dynamic pressure while being studio quality, truly fantastic headphones.

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

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A popular YouTube channel recently recommended wearing Airpods with noise cancelling on the London underground because sounds routinely exceed 100 decibels sometimes.

Unless my understanding is flawed but the mechanical / energy potential is still reaching your ear drums, cochlear and in turn the hair cells. How would equalising the sound with an opposite sound help reduce the damaged caused here?

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

#56

I’ve been using ANC headphones basically 24/7 for years. I enjoy the silence. I wish in the future there’s a way to do this via a brain chip or something and maybe even selectively completely filter out noise.

There’s anecdotal correlation between neurodivergence (such as ADHD) and a difference in how people take in and process sensory input.

I interpret this as ADHD developers who see hyperfocus are able to either tune down or ignore some of that audio sensory input. But the flip side is also true where they might accidentally hyperfocus on that specific annoyance/input.

Or to put it another way: some of our brains can do this already. But be wary what you wish in terms of unintended side effects.

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

#57
Hearing loss is very serious. You know your body better than anyone else so don't be afraid to be its biggest advocate and protector. Nobody else will.

I once had tinnitus for a week after a concert and it was one of the worst weeks of my life, it felt like it would last forever (and for some people, it does). I had pristine, "golden ears" for audio engineering and was afraid about how much I'd be able to recover. I missed even the boring high pitched squeaks of doorknobs, faucets, etc. Everything was muffled. Since then, I've been wearing Etymotic earplugs at concerts (the few I went to).

There is research on proper restoration of the cilia (ear hair that allows us to hear), but we don't know if it's a "hardware" problem (these hairs), "software" problem (brain), or both, in what amounts. So it's far away (EDIT: if it's even possible at all...). Hearing aids are not something you want to fall back on. It's not like eyes with glasses and contacts. Be careful.

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

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I started getting spasms of my tensor tympani muscle around the time I began using AirPods with noise cancellation. Could hear it clearly and had a doc visually confirm. Correlation not causation, but weird enough that a stopped using them.

Interesting same thing happened to me - a very strange sensation. I was using Galaxy Buds every day for work and have since stopped using any earbuds and the issue has pretty much gone away. Can’t say for sure it was the buds but… felt correlated enough that I’m wary to use them again.

If it was the buds maybe they caused temporary harm while the Apple ones are causing lasting harm. To date Samsung's innovations haven't been like Apple's butterfly keyboard. I have Samsung buds and they are pretty impressive but I think if they were more powerful it would be weird.

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

#59

Hearing loss is very serious. You know your body better than anyone else so don't be afraid to be its biggest advocate and protector. Nobody else will. I once had tinnitus for a week after a concert and it was one of the worst weeks of my life, it felt like it would last forever (and for some people, it does). I had pristine, "golden ears" for audio engineering and was afraid about how much I'd be able to recover. I…

There is no cure for hearing damage. Your body can recover from slight damage after a few weeks but generally trauma to hair cells, synapses and auditory nerve is accumulative and overtime they loose their ability to recover.

There's currently no way to regenerate these. There was a promising company attempting to do this and they recently announced discontinuation of phase 3 trials as their drug showed no significant change against placebo.

The drug was in development for almost 9 years before it reached phase 3 and failed.

Re: AirPods causing tinnitus?

#60
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Poor man’s AirPods: construction earmuffs over old-school wired Apple earbuds. You can keep the actual volume setting quite low, and the suppression of outside noise is powerful. Feels like you’re underwater or you’re Frodo wearing the One Ring.

I used to do this to make life in the cube farm at Google tolerable. The advantage of construction/shooting earmuffs is that they also cancel out conversations really well.
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