AI teaches itself to use an API • Hacker News Board

Re: AI teaches itself to use an API

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Post by lumost » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 4:01 PM UTC

famouswaffles wrote: post #139

lumost wrote: post #138

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The proposed method would improve the model anytime the model didn’t know which api to use. This requires the model to not hallucinate knowledge and some form of incremental training.

Not necessarily. Even in people, memory is (albeit very complex) retrieval. I mean, how many of your x years of memories are in the forefront on your mind at any given moment? Not the creator so i won't make any definite statements on how it works on the memory side but if you embedded and stored the chain of thought "how to use x API" generations and then retrieved them anytime the model was going to use the same AP…

Certainly possible! As with all things ml the question is how well this works. The author made up a scientific sounding claim without any backing data.

Re: AI teaches itself to use an API

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Post by valine » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 4:57 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #126

valine wrote: post #75

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I bet with a lathe, a 3d printer and AGI you could make the tools you need to build an engine. I’m not sure why you would though, since electric motors are both the future and 3D printable.

With a lathe and hand tools you Can build an engine, that's how first engines were built. If that's the criteria, AI and 3D printing are superfluous. What are they contributing?

Presumably running the lathe/printer, drawing schematics and providing step by step directions unique to the materials you can afford.

Re: AI teaches itself to use an API

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Post by ClumsyPilot » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 5:30 PM UTC

valine wrote: post #142

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #126

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With a lathe and hand tools you Can build an engine, that's how first engines were built. If that's the criteria, AI and 3D printing are superfluous. What are they contributing?

Presumably running the lathe/printer, drawing schematics and providing step by step directions unique to the materials you can afford.

Are the tools lathe and 3D printer will produce hand tools or computerised automatic tools, that the AI will run?

Re: AI teaches itself to use an API

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Post by sangnoir » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 5:32 PM UTC

lenkite wrote: post #134

paxys wrote: post #36

So the AI can learn to use APIs that follow perfect RESTful semantics, are fully documented and intuitively behave exactly like one would expect. Our jobs are safe.

Not really - our jobs are going to get changed to "AI operators". Or more brutally: "AI assistants".

The automation of telephone systems didn't make front desk workers "PABX assistants" or even "PABX Operators", the automation became a tool and faded into the background.

Re: AI teaches itself to use an API

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Post by valine » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 5:49 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #143

valine wrote: post #142

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Presumably running the lathe/printer, drawing schematics and providing step by step directions unique to the materials you can afford.

Are the tools lathe and 3D printer will produce hand tools or computerised automatic tools, that the AI will run?

I’m imagining the AI makes tools it can use by itself. My entire premise depends on you having enough money to fund some AI tinkering, a few Arduinos and servos seems like fair game.

Re: AI teaches itself to use an API

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Post by TrackerFF » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 6:07 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #36

So the AI can learn to use APIs that follow perfect RESTful semantics, are fully documented and intuitively behave exactly like one would expect. Our jobs are safe.

For now. But how about 5 years from now? or 10? or 15?

Given what things looked 10 years ago, and what was revolutionary back then (ImageNet challenge) - it's hard to comprehend what state of the art will look like 10 years from now.

Re: AI teaches itself to use an API

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Post by Firmwarrior » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 6:43 PM UTC

ChatGTP wrote: post #125

GulpGulp wrote: post #104

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Our jobs could eventually become unnecessary

People who say this are just short sighted. Unless all jobs are unnecessary, you just change your job. People seem to assume that if robots can code, all coders are out of a job, but I mean, if I didn't have to code, I'd just start all the businesses I've always wanted to start because like all the business people who are going to be replacing me with a bot, I too will have the time to replace business people with my…

Seems like an unpopular take, but I agree with this sentiment

The most I can imagine coming out of this is that those "app creator" apps/websites will actually work. So you can get a reasonably functional app without necessarily being a software engineer. A current-day software engineer could end up with the capabilities of a pre-2023 VP of Engineering in charge of a 200 person department.

That doesn't mean there'll be no work, it just means the work will be different and possibly much more interesting

Re: AI teaches itself to use an API

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Post by tnel77 » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 6:43 PM UTC

TrackerFF wrote: post #146

paxys wrote: post #36

So the AI can learn to use APIs that follow perfect RESTful semantics, are fully documented and intuitively behave exactly like one would expect. Our jobs are safe.

For now. But how about 5 years from now? or 10? or 15? Given what things looked 10 years ago, and what was revolutionary back then (ImageNet challenge) - it's hard to comprehend what state of the art will look like 10 years from now.

I’m saving and investing like I only have 10 more years of work before AI takes my job.

Either I’ll be well prepared for unemployment or I’ll have plump investment accounts and still be employed. Good outcome regardless.

Re: AI teaches itself to use an API

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Post by gecersiznick » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 8:14 PM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #144

lenkite wrote: post #134

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Not really - our jobs are going to get changed to "AI operators". Or more brutally: "AI assistants".

The automation of telephone systems didn't make front desk workers "PABX assistants" or even "PABX Operators", the automation became a tool and faded into the background.

Automation of telephone systems have been rule-based and unable to communicate with knowledge bases. An AI-powered automation system that have access to knowledge bases... now that's a different story.

Re: AI teaches itself to use an API

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Post by literallyroy » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 8:42 PM UTC

singularity2001 wrote: post #118

layer8 wrote: post #60

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As long as their reasoning capabilities for the general case (system 2 thinking) remains limited, trial and error will only get them so far.

unless the "try again stage" incorporates the results of a google search for the error message of the api

The Google search that would be returning results from human programmers…?

So given time the AI could no longer debug new software as there would be no programmers only assistants.