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Re: Starbucks illegally fired US workers over union, judge rules

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Post by relbeek2 » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 4:27 PM UTC

dehrmann wrote: post #113

roody15 wrote: post #69

Its funny to watch "progressive" mega corporations like Starbucks, Apple, Amazon + more skirt around unions. Essentially they use PR to say we are all for these corporate safe progressive topics... but any topics of worker rights, unions.. nope.

Around 2015 (still under Schultz), I got the impression Starbucks actually cares about its partners. They paid above-market wages to attract good people and provided good benefits.

I can assure you that anything done by Shultz is a decision based purely on money and shareholder interest, masked as a benefit for partners.

Re: Starbucks illegally fired US workers over union, judge rules

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Post by next_xibalba » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 10:35 PM UTC

MapsSlaps wrote: post #297

next_xibalba wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...if a worker's religious belief prohibits handling of pork, they would be exempt from being assigned to food warming and won't be discriminated against." Perhaps they just shouldn't be working at a restaurant that serves pork? What a ridiculous idea. I'm going to found a religion in which the main belief is that I should not be required to type on a keyboard. As someone working in tech who uses a keyboard non-stop…

Come on. There are billions of people worldwide who have religious prohibitions from pork. This is not a niche population. Can we really not take a quick moment to say, "Maybe we can help our Muslim and Jewish friends feel more comfortable"? Your solution is really, "No Muslims or Jews in restaurants" rather than "Hey, if needed, we can just ask Kevin to toss the bacon in the oven."

> There are billions of people worldwide who have religious prohibitions from pork.

That's hardly the point. The majority of Starbucks locations are in countries with tiny or non-existent Jewish/Muslim populations: U.S., China, Japan, Canada, etc. [1] In the United States, for example, only 3.5% of Americans are Jewish or Muslim. [2] Wanna bet that figure is far smaller in China?

What's more, this isn't a situation in which there are no alternatives. A person who doesn't want to handle pork has plenty of other employment options.

> "No Muslims or Jews in restaurants"

Seriously? I suggest that people who don't want to handle pork shouldn't apply for jobs where they'll handle pork, and you paraphrase me as "Ban Jews and Muslims from restaurants"???

Let me put it this way: do you think someone who doesn't want to handle pork should be accommodated at a pork processing plant?

[1] https://www.mappr.co/worlds-best-starbucks/

[2] https://www.usreligioncensus.org/node/1641

Re: Starbucks illegally fired US workers over union, judge rules

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Post by next_xibalba » Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 10:41 PM UTC

MapsSlaps wrote: post #296

next_xibalba wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This summary is disingenuous. Take for example: "7) Reimbursement for necessary equipment, limits on dress code" Whereas the actual text reads: "We propose that workers will not be held to a dress code, except for where local, state and federal health/safety standards are enforced. We propose that Starbucks will provide or reimburse each worker 2 pairs of non-slip shoes each year, as well as fresh aprons for partners…

> Adding distraction, eroding the customer experience, and reducing the professionalism. The professionalism of ... Starbucks coffee shops? Are you for real? It's not a bank. Let people wear what they want and what makes them happy. You can still require people cover sufficiently for sanitary and safety reasons. > On another note, seniority is a toxic, irrational policy Yes. Agreed. But also, Starbucks has been hirin…

Yes, I'm serious. But I will grant you, it's an opinion.

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/uniform-influence-performanc...

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pms.1974.39.1.5...

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001088040004100...