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Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

#61
I can only tell you what I would want myself to do in your situation.

I would want to hit the road. I would pause the PhD and go on a long road trip. Alternatively, I would set about hiking one of the longer trails in the U.S.

Clichéd? Maybe. But I have found the most peace and serenity in my life when on the road, broken out of my constant circles.

A rather extreme measure? Yeah, bailing on the PhD seems rather extreme but, future me, looking back on this phase of my life would absolutely agree it was the right thing to do at the time. (And here I should emphasize, this is me talking to me — your mileage may vary.)

There was only one similar period in my life and, while I didn't know about the long trails in the U.S. and didn't otherwise really have the financial means, I did cut all the cords I could at that time: work, place I was living, toxic friends, etc. My long-distance girlfriend had not "dumped" me, instead she was, again, off in college rooming with someone else. I decided at that moment to write a letter telling her I am leaving her.

So very much a clean break in my life.

It was strange to be standing there at the bottom of that well in my life but in hindsight I see that it was the point where everything started just slowly getting better. I think emotionally, and self-esteem-wise I had finally begun to feel like I had "agency" (to use a popular term these days).

Oh, I started listening to very different music then, took up the guitar and started playing... Whole new set of friends as well. I may have started smoking then as well — don't ever do that.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

#62
You gotta move. Walk. Every day. 15K steps. You have to get outside your bubble. There’s more going on than what you see and feel, and there’s something beyond what you’re experiencing right now.

Part of the problem is you have to burn the time, but the more you wallow the more this time will swallow you up. It may take a year or two to get over this breakup, but if you move and stay productive, this time will not have been wasted and you’ll come out a bit better. If you wallow, you’ll waste this time. If you mellow the wallow, it’ll be a victory in and of itself and a driver for healing.

I’ve never gone on a long walk and felt worse. And it’s something you can do every single day.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

#63
The great news is you are still very young, you can fumble around for another two years trying to pick yourself up and will still only be thirty.

More practically, it’s simple, just not easy, take one step at a time and then have patience, as long as you are making progress you just need to keep going.

Worth reading:

https://www.oliverburkeman.com/freshstart

https://ckarchive.com/b/xmuph6hrzxwrd

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

#64
I credit the book "No More Mr Nice Guy" by Robert Glover as creating the foundation I needed to get out of my valley after my breakup (engaged, 8yr total).

Other self-help books and an ADHD diagnosis built on top of that, but that was the one that changed things and got the ball rolling.

It's not a breakup book or anything, it just covers it incidentally. Going through entire book is what rebuilt me.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if your getting a few interviews is something then nothing. How are you approaching these interviews? Your track record is not a black mark, it's just a busy market out there. You have to pitch it just right to get it. Mangle the Tech Product Manager skills with your dev stuff. Interviews are tough and practice beforehand. Ignore what your friends make because that will sour your mood.

Tbh, I kind of hated being a TPM - frankly it felt like a fake job and made me miss being technical. Unfortunately, I've just never been able to have the chops for leetcode interviews which is why I took the opp to transition to TPM and gain more leverage. Fortunately, my friends who are better off are very supportive - in some of these interviews I can't help but think I sound desperate or maybe just annoying. Thank…

I'm bias, but would say to anyone looking for a new job ignore the FANG, leetcode approach. It's not worth the hype anymore. You can always join later with experience which is valued more highly. I wouldn't be surprised that in a few years time they'll be the ones on the firing line.

You've got given experience and an opportunity, you recognise that TPM isn't your thing and that if dev is; move your focus and promote that energy. Code a local project, demonstrate that within an interview. The secret to interviews is blagging.

"I was a TPM, Giving it my best effort I gained the ability to XYZ

But after the year, I found that this wasn't the career path I wished to follow. Dev is more my attitude and recently in my spare time I coded this super-cool time diary using x-lang to brush up my skills. I feel that I can mix both to give the best to the company".

That itself will turn more heads then someone with a piece of paper with FANG stamped on it. It shows you learnt, tried, wanting to learn and move on. Double the knowledge more the experience. There are plenty of jobs outside who will happily hire for the dev.

It won't be the big-bucks as FANG gets you, but money is overrated. Find something that keeps you just less than comfortable. Flushed with cash is nice dream, but the pressure, intensity of it all are all not worth it. With lower paid jobs you'd get you a more laid back environment, control of your destiny and closer experience to real life which you then use as your bargaining chip later on.

I've never wanted to be a corporate cog that when it looses it's teeth is thrown out the back door. The stress isn't worth it.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

#67
> I also grew up in a dysfunctional family environment (toxic parent relationship, some narcissistic/borderline traits in them) and have been struggling with the consequences of that on my development and mental health.

I know what you mean here. Victims of narcissistic abuse often become vulnerable narcissists and codependents, deferring their own needs for those of others until the damage becomes too great to ignore.

You didn't mention what psych books you read so I will suggest Games People Play by Eric Berne.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

#68
I overcame a weak sense of self by learning to draw boundaries. I can't stress how important this is. When you have weak boundaries, you let others control your life. Learn to draw clear boundaries that must never be crossed. I recommend googling the problem.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd agree with some other comments here that you are pretty far away from rock bottom. “Rock bottom” is whatever negative experience is sufficient to get you to volubtarily rethink and commit to changing the life choices that produced that experience. It's where you personally decide to draw the line, not some objective maximum acheivable misery.

Personally, yes. Outside in, not really. If you've broken up with your GF, think life is shite and that's your rock bottom, then yeah you've reached your rock bottom. The floor where you tow it. However, I disagree and would agree that rock bottom in essence is where where the maximum achievable misery has been met. If life is a ladder, your still on that ladder, you can still progress. All you've done is fallen and…

Heh. I was briefly homeless some decades ago, and likewise had to give up drugs and drinking (actually, BEFORE becoming homeless)

There IS no bottom so long as you're able to dig. There is no such thing as maximum achievable misery. It's just a question of whether OP is able to go on, and whether that is the lowest he could go is NOT at all an interesting question. I would say by definition you can always go lower, so it's a moot point.

I'd look into stoicism, in the sense of 'identifying something that counts as virtue, or rightness, or goodness', and I'd ask whether there's anything you can do today that would count toward that.

If you can do that, it doesn't matter how big the pile of broken glass is. Only whether you're able to do something good about it, however small, today.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

#70
Sounds like youve described my life as well so as much of a cold comfort it is; you arent alone in this experience.

Some suggestions.

1. Theres usually a big gap between understanding and belief. You can “know” something is true but not have it feel true, or let that knowledge have any positive affect on your outlook or physiology. This simply takes time. Be patient and kind with yourself.

2. Self help books are good. Therapy is better. But you’ll also find there are tons of different types of therapy. What works for you will take time to figure out and will also depend on your background, level of resistence, your comfort with vulnerability, the vocabulary you have to describe your experience, etc. Again, stick with it. Dont overdo it. Rememeber that 9 women can’t have a baby in a month.

3. Relationships and endings can be especially difficult for people who were potentially raised by narcissists or any cluster b personality style. Youve most likely learned behaviour that worked for you in childhood but wont help you now that youre an adult. This is now being understood as maladaptive patters from CPTSD. It’s worth digging into. Id recommend “the body keeps the score” and “complex ptsd: from surviving to thriving”.

4. Your body and your mind operate more like one unit than we all care to admit. Its important to exercise for at least 30 minutes a day. Not a walk. More like sweating. Nobody ever wants to do this. I still never want to do it. Id suggest doing everything possible to lower the activation cost of getting some exercise.

5. This tension requires an outlet. You probably spend a lot of time in front of a computer reading, writing, etc. I find writing with a pen and paper helpful. Theres absolutely no need to ever read what you wrote ever again. The mind is wild but it does seem to offer some relief.

Lastly - and I apologize for being trite - when youre going through hell, keep going.

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