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Re: Could we make the web more immersive using a simple optical illusion?

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Post by staindk » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

riidom wrote: post #149

codeulike wrote: post #141

Imagine, for example, opening your favorite brand’s website and being presented with a miniature virtual storefront. You could look at their most popular products as if you were standing on a sidewalk peering into their shop. I imagined this as instructed as was simultaneously bored and depressed. Why does it always have to be about shopping.

I imagine a youtube where the ads would pause as soon as you don't look at them anymore. Like that one black mirror episode. But yes, first promote some gimmicky fun stuff to get the foot in the door and when it has arrived, show the real face.

"Please drink a verification can"

https://imgur.com/dgGvgKF

Re: Could we make the web more immersive using a simple optical illusion?

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Post by chaostheory » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 2:37 PM UTC

kwertyoowiyop wrote: post #162

codeulike wrote: post #141

Imagine, for example, opening your favorite brand’s website and being presented with a miniature virtual storefront. You could look at their most popular products as if you were standing on a sidewalk peering into their shop. I imagined this as instructed as was simultaneously bored and depressed. Why does it always have to be about shopping.

Or, imagine your head tracking data is being uploaded and sold to the hugest bidder! They could tell whether you have a health condition which they could sell you an expensive drug for! Or raise your insurance rates! Wow this IS exciting.

The smart watches already provide a lot more data such as heart rate, blood oxygen levels, and activity monitor to name a few things. However, it’s just a part of the little data collector that nearly everyone has in their pocket.

My point is we’re already there and we’ve been here for years now. If laws like the GPRD passed, then it should be possible to counter or neutralize the problem

Re: Could we make the web more immersive using a simple optical illusion?

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Post by photochemsyn » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 2:39 PM UTC

codeulike wrote: post #141

Imagine, for example, opening your favorite brand’s website and being presented with a miniature virtual storefront. You could look at their most popular products as if you were standing on a sidewalk peering into their shop. I imagined this as instructed as was simultaneously bored and depressed. Why does it always have to be about shopping.

It's a relatively invasive technique that requires a computer's camera to record details of a person's face, and that's marketable data that any commercial shopping site would likely collect and sell on to other parties. It'd be much simpler to implement arrow key / spacebar navigation through a 3D scene (still computationally expensive relative to rendering the standard HTML/CSS/JS page), but then that data couldn't be collected.

In general interactive 3D on the web still uses too much computational power on the client-side for most devices.

Re: Could we make the web more immersive using a simple optical illusion?

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Post by radec » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 2:41 PM UTC

osrec wrote: post #158

mr_sturd wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's the web, and that's all the web is about.

It's a lot of what life's about though too, so perhaps it's justified?

Justified in the sense that we should accept that there is no other purpose to life or existence then to shop?

Re: Could we make the web more immersive using a simple optical illusion?

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Post by chaostheory » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 2:45 PM UTC

ilkke wrote: post #26

bm3719 wrote: post #5

Can't help but notice that we keep wanting to make content that should be flat more 3D (e.g., animated 3D backgrounds, scroll filler on corporate pages, the entire metaverse), and content that could benefit from being 3D more flat (like UI buttons losing their pseudo-3D bevels and not looking like interactive widgets at all).

Re UI, my theory is that this is partly because minimalism doesn't become dated as fast. Related, I remember that what blew me away upon seeing the 3DS for the first time was not the 3d playfield (which looked exactly as I expected), but the UI in 3D. It really felt like a glimpse into an exciting future.

The 3DS didn’t do anything for me and a large part of the population. The same goes for the 3D glasses that went out of style years ago. The main thing it did was give me and others a headache. Otherwise, this wouldn’t have been a fad.

Other than this demo, the only 3D effects that actually work (ie 3D movies) are in VR

Re: Could we make the web more immersive using a simple optical illusion?

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Post by chaostheory » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 2:48 PM UTC

somewhereoutth wrote: post #115

jstummbillig wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fundamentally, pleasing design is about repetition and consistency. Fundamentally, what makes design pleasing is super hard to reason about. If it was mostly about repetition and consistency, any webpage that used bootstrap or no css at all would be pleasing. If pleasing minimalism was very easy to pull off, nobody would take note of Apple products.

Apple is basically Bauhaus for nerd stuff - and that is no small thing. Perhaps if the microcomputer had been first commercialised in Europe they'd all look like that anyway.

Personally, I view Apple more as a fashion house that sells tech.

Re: Could we make the web more immersive using a simple optical illusion?

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Post by urbandw311er » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 2:48 PM UTC

moremetadata wrote: post #81

urbandw311er wrote: post #80

This is the perfect example of a really cool solution desperately looking for a problem

If you watched the link, you'd see the 3d effect, so is it looking for a problem when 3d is the holy grail of av entertainment problem?

Not sure what makes you think I haven’t watched the video! I watched it in full. But I don’t agree that 3D at home is a “holy grail” - for starters I’ve not seen any clear evidence of market demand.

Re: Could we make the web more immersive using a simple optical illusion?

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Post by chaostheory » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 2:50 PM UTC

mihaic wrote: post #137

Planktonne wrote: post #124

> Imagine, for example, opening your favorite brand’s website and being presented with a miniature virtual storefront. You could look at their most popular products as if you were standing on a sidewalk peering into their shop. I am imagining it, and it's worse than the current norm.

This is exactly why I think 3D TVs died out a couple years ago: once the novelty factor fades away, you realize that it's actually hindering your initial goal.

Besides the cost, they died because for a large portion of the population and a large portion of the supposed 3D media, the 3D effect didn’t work. It just gave people headaches and eye strain.

Re: Could we make the web more immersive using a simple optical illusion?

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Post by otikik » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 2:52 PM UTC

osrec wrote: post #158

mr_sturd wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's the web, and that's all the web is about.

It's a lot of what life's about though too, so perhaps it's justified?

For every article about shopping we would be seeing tens of thousands of articles about breathing then.

Re: Could we make the web more immersive using a simple optical illusion?

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Post by chaostheory » Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 2:53 PM UTC

codeulike wrote: post #141

Imagine, for example, opening your favorite brand’s website and being presented with a miniature virtual storefront. You could look at their most popular products as if you were standing on a sidewalk peering into their shop. I imagined this as instructed as was simultaneously bored and depressed. Why does it always have to be about shopping.

Because this is from someone who works for Shopify and has to justify their 20% project to their bosses.

Why can’t people have a little more imagination and see this as a great new data visualization UX like for things like charts or maps, instead of automatically panning it to death?

This could be very useful in hospitals.

CAD and 3D modeling software?