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Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by smoldesu »

coldtea wrote: post #205
apatheticonion wrote: post #152

I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP. That is going to be such a killer environment to develop on. Crazy fast hardware, great high refresh screen, insane battery life, fantastic touchpad, gestures and keyboard. There is the potential that Windows games could run on it with some combination of x86 translation and Proton. Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Wa…

> I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP Since TFA says "everything works" atm, including GPU, Bluetooth, Audio, USB, etc, what's stopping you from doing it now?

I'd imagine they're talking about like-native support for the GPU and heterogeneous CPU architecture. Plus, the desktop experience in the article avoids some of the less-finished MBP parts like the speakers and brightness controls.

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Post by 16 »

mardifoufs wrote: post #173
apatheticonion wrote: post #152

I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP. That is going to be such a killer environment to develop on. Crazy fast hardware, great high refresh screen, insane battery life, fantastic touchpad, gestures and keyboard. There is the potential that Windows games could run on it with some combination of x86 translation and Proton. Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Wa…

I'm wondering if an M1 MacBook would actually have such a good battery life on linux. The processor is very power efficient, but I'd (naively) assume that MacOS's power management probably has a big influence too. In the same way that Linux laptops usually have a bad battery life compared to the same hardware on Windows. How good is Asahi when running similar workloads? And is it possible that it could reach parity w…

Battery life is significantly worse on my m1 pro macbook pro under asahi. I'd estimate about half of MacOS.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by wkat4242 »

Nice. My particular poison is FreeBSD and I don't think they're quite there yet in terms of support for Apple's hardware. However once they are I would consider it. Currently using a 10th gen Intel i7 NUC which I'm not unhappy with. But a M2 Mac Mini might be a nice successor eventually.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by somethoughts »

mardifoufs wrote: post #173
apatheticonion wrote: post #152

I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP. That is going to be such a killer environment to develop on. Crazy fast hardware, great high refresh screen, insane battery life, fantastic touchpad, gestures and keyboard. There is the potential that Windows games could run on it with some combination of x86 translation and Proton. Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Wa…

I'm wondering if an M1 MacBook would actually have such a good battery life on linux. The processor is very power efficient, but I'd (naively) assume that MacOS's power management probably has a big influence too. In the same way that Linux laptops usually have a bad battery life compared to the same hardware on Windows. How good is Asahi when running similar workloads? And is it possible that it could reach parity w…

I think the key difference (hopefully) will be that there are a limited number of hardware configurations for Mac. Still a lot (i.e. 100+ SKUs) but not nearly the number of x86 hardware configurations (i.e 10000+)

Also presumably if Apple wants this to happen, they as a single vendor can provide a single definitive answer on what they are doing for each configuration. Eventually...

In the x86 world, there is Intel, AMD and like 50 different manufacturers each with a particular HW implementation/BIOS customization, leading to IntelAMDHardware_Vendor_customizations^50 permutations that'd need to be validated.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by ActorNightly »

apatheticonion wrote: post #152

I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP. That is going to be such a killer environment to develop on. Crazy fast hardware, great high refresh screen, insane battery life, fantastic touchpad, gestures and keyboard. There is the potential that Windows games could run on it with some combination of x86 translation and Proton. Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Wa…

I seem to be in the minority, but I honestly don't get how people can develop productively on a laptop. The lack of full size keyboard, screen real estate, and uncomfortable touchpad compared to a mouse just feels horrible to me.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by duskwuff »

galangalalgol wrote: post #145
TimTheTinker wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP's requirements pretty much uniquely match what Asahi on a desktop M2 provides -- heavy compute, not heavy graphics, no onboard speakers, one big display, no webcam/touch-id, etc. It sounds like if you're developing services hosted in a cloud, Asahi Linux is a great fit for a desktop Mac.

Do they ever sell old graviton machines as salvage? Arenithey on revision 3 now? I'd like one of those.

Not that I'm aware of. I'd be surprised if those machines were even usable outside Amazon's datacenter; they're likely to lack a lot of standard interfaces (certainly no display output, probably no Ethernet, USB, SATA, or PCIe, possibly no 120/240V AC input).

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Post by noloblo »

wkat4242 wrote: post #210
noloblo wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

also No need to use flash usb drive just enter in terminal curl https://alx.sh | sh to install asahi linux Dual boot on m1 or m2 MacBook apple silicon

Great idea piping a website straight into a shell.

seems to be clean bash script http://pastie.org/p/578asRpS0abo92Efj1YGLZ FWIW

so seems safe to me

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by wkat4242 »

> Asahi is a Linux distribution that can run natively on Apple Silicon-based Macs due to some slick reverse engineering provided by members of the open source community. Moreover, running Asahi is perfectly legal because Apple formally allows booting non-macOS operating systems on their Apple Silicon platform.

Umm how would it ever be not legal? Even if Apple doesn't formally allow it, you're free too so with your own hardware whatever you want.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by jeffbee »

nicce wrote: post #64
jeffbee wrote: post #20

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I cannot imagine a worse idea than downloading a binary artifact promulgated by someone in the competitive infosec community.

Not much different than installing any random pip package. They include pre-build binaries too. Infosec tools might be even safer.

That’s exactly what I’m always telling people about pip.

Re: ARM64 Linux Workstation

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Post by titzer »

jlokier wrote: post #198
apatheticonion wrote: post #152

I cannot wait for Linux to be fully usable on my Apple Silicon MBP. That is going to be such a killer environment to develop on. Crazy fast hardware, great high refresh screen, insane battery life, fantastic touchpad, gestures and keyboard. There is the potential that Windows games could run on it with some combination of x86 translation and Proton. Using MacOS on it feels like I have a ferrari with square wheels. Wa…

On my x86 MBP, I run GNU/Linux in VMWare Fusion, full screen. That gives me a combination of both worlds, which I can easily switch between with 4-finger swipe. I did battery life tests running the same Linux distro natively vs in a VM on MacOS. What I found surprised me: battery life was better with the VM than native, so I stayed with the VM. When a VM is used, driver issues are effectively absent as Apple drivers…

> I run GNU/Linux in VMWare Fusion

Just to be clear, is that an arm64 linux? Because emulating x86-64-linux still seems to be not very good.

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