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Re: Need for cognition

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A simple search to scholar.google.com suggests otherwise. There are even aggregates like : https://ofloveandfriendship.wordpress.com/2019/11/02/the-deb... Of course it might go against your worldview or political views, so you might reject all arguments.

Linking to a sappy marriage and family studies student at Brigham Young University-Idaho the lens of Mormon Family Values is hardly objective. Sure, it's a valid view of the world, but a globally niche PoV.

I don't think "whacking off to porn is detrimental" is a solely Mormon perspective.

That said, if you had to pick a group who can claim that they have figured out what it takes to have many children, Mormons are it, right?

Re: Need for cognition

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This maps to something I've noticed. There's a pattern where human beings are wired to enjoy things that are important for their survival and thriving, but that these instincts are easily hijacked for aimless gratification. Eating junk food (vs stuff that gives you health and energy) or whacking off to porn (instead of healthy relationships and procreation) are examples of this. Anyway "the need for cognition"... I n…

I also think there are a lot of products that hijack the need for cognition, to make people feel like they're achieving something when they're really not - for example dense complicated games like Factorio/Satisfactory/Dwarf Fortress/Paradox games have all at one time completely taken over satisfying that cognitive need.

While I see what you're getting at, I take issue with your main point here:

> So they are sort of scratching their itch for cognition, but not in a way that makes their life better in an objective way (which is most likely the reason we have this drive)

Evolutionarily, there is no such thing "the reason" why we have any drive. Rather over time certain characteristics are selected for by their fitness in the environment. That might seem like a semantic or not important distinction, except that this drive for cognition has effects way beyond the individual.

The key thing is these people who go after what most would consider "unproductive" things, IE not using their smarts to go after lucrative professions, serve an important role in society to break out of local maxima and ultimately bring society to entirely new places. But this drive is obviously not a precise tool, it is just as likely to go towards some non-productive ends as productive (the cognitive equivalent of junk food or whacking off).

Some people simply have a larger drive towards cognition than to social status, and that occasionally leads to changing the world.

(Footnote: this is simplified - obviously evolution/selection happens on the individual level, but as a society we place value on intellectualism because of the outsized impact, which alters the environment to select for this drive - and people often reach their achievements later in life, so the "evolutionary success" of having kids is based on their potential for greatness, even if they never reach it. This way selection can favor drives that actually hurt most individuals with the drive, because the ones that change the world have such an outsized impact - this only works because humans are adaptable enough to alter their selection criteria based on the broader environment - think fat people used to be attractive when nobody had much food)

Re: Need for cognition

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Some people don't have this. A lot of people aren't very curious at all. Last night in Austin I saw a full self driving car from Cruise drive by with no driver while I was at a crosswalk. No one noticed or cared that a car just drove by with no one in it! It was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen, and the people around me did not notice or care.

Reminds me of the Louis C.K. bit about flying https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b3dYS7PcAG4

This is fantastic, thanks.

Re: Need for cognition

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For real? An Uber trip across the city costing $5 rather than $50 would be a game changer, as would finally being able to kill carparks on main roads.

Be careful assuming that humans (especially the humans you see) are the lion's share of cost for any system. Sure, Uber passes 60-75% of the fare to drivers, but that pays for the depreciation/opportunity cost of the vehicle, the energy to move the vehicle, the insurance, the cleaning, etc. A lot of the problems that these 'no brainer' new technology start-ups face (e.g., the autonomous delivery robots) is actually t…

Uber/Grab/Taxi fares in South East Asia (where the workers earn ~$10/day) are around that $5 mark, and the cars were often pretty decent.

Re: Need for cognition

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Linking to a sappy marriage and family studies student at Brigham Young University-Idaho the lens of Mormon Family Values is hardly objective. Sure, it's a valid view of the world, but a globally niche PoV.

I don't think "whacking off to porn is detrimental" is a solely Mormon perspective. That said, if you had to pick a group who can claim that they have figured out what it takes to have many children, Mormons are it, right?

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