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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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Not sure if you know but things in the US are outrageously expensive. Childcare might cost 4k per month, a private tutor is ~50-100/hr, the best schools are generally either public schools in the richest suburbs or private schools that cost 50k/year. College even at a State University is going to cost $10,000 per year and at least as much for living costs so you are looking at ~$80,000 for a 4 year degree. >- A luxur…

I’ve lived in some of the most expensive cities in the U.S. Childcare at 4,000 is upper quartile of expensive cities. You’ll find many places where it’s half or less of that price. Private schools at $50k a year are either going to be boarding or some of the more expensive country day schools. Even Sidwell, where Obama sent his kids, is cheaper than this. And finally we get to university education. There are many sch…

>Childcare at 4,000 is upper quartile of expensive cities. You’ll find many places where it’s half or less of that price. Private schools at $50k a year are either going to be boarding or some of the more expensive country day schools. Even Sidwell, where Obama sent his kids, is cheaper than this.

Most of the people on this site aren't farmers living in Rural Iowa so idk how relevant the cost of living in places like that are.

>And finally we get to university education. There are many schools with merit based scholarships. Treating living expenses as unique to college is also wrong.

Not everyone is getting scholarship. Obviously that changes the calculus.

>Nothing is stopping a kid from getting a job in college!

This is pure boomer sentiment. I had a job every summer in college and through grad school, this was only ~10 years ago and it paid for exactly 0% of my tuition. It was enough to survive the summers and pay my rent during grad school that was it.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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If you want a cautionary tale, here it is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3134322 The coffeeshop fallacy (2011) It‘s easy to get blinded by how incredibly privileged the tech bubble is and have had a better experience so far just trying to find a great non-toxic spot in there. YMMV, good luck!

See also Venkatesh Rao's blog post on The Locust Economy[1]:

> "To take coffee shops as an example, an unending supply of idealistic wannabe cafe owners enters the sector every year, operates at a loss for a few years, and exits. The result is that even under normal business conditions, without swarming locust consumers, this is a loss-making business with an extinction rate of around 90% at the 5 year point in the US. Starbucks has the scale to be profitable and resilient. Locust coffee drinkers happily drink the excellent, loss-making coffee from small, local Jeffersonian coffee shops and callously retreat to Starbucks or DIY homebrew if the prices go up. Starbucks survives, coffee drinking grasshoppers survive, small coffee shops go in and out of business."

("Locust coffee drinkers" is analogy not insult).

[1] https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2013/04/03/the-locust-economy/

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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You could join the resource industry, there's a labor shortage and there's all sort of vocational training. Some jobs require minimal training others more but you can be up and running in as little as 3 months for something relatively skilled. It's a refreshing feeling to have a job where the deliverables are very specific and day to day like you need to move this crap from here to there and that's it, no thinking ab…

Interesting suggestion. Could somebody in their 40s who’s only ever had a desk job get into this?

Yes but it would be tricky without major savings.

One avenue might be to start doing IT work with and for a local electrician, and expand from there. If you're comfortable with computers, they could offer you as the low-voltage side of things.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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What is your general approach? Selling premium? Earnings announcements? Do you frequent any online communities of professionals, or is it just you, your spouse, and your mentors? Beyond wanting to learn alternative approaches myself, I help moderate a local trading group. We are always looking for presenters in our monthly meetings.

Please don't do this. Virtually all day traders lose money and the ones that don't are almost certainly running on luck. If you really had an edge in the market you would open a hedge fund and rake in billions. Everyone else is just playing the law of large numbers and the winners happened to flip 50 tails in a row.

There is a continuum between making $0 and billions as a trader.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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I've moved from the private sector (consumer tech) to government research (contractor who works with many FFRDCs). The cultural shift is, frankly, seismic. The problems are no less important or impactful, but the timescale we're working on is years or even decades, so much of the all-out, balls-to-the wall constant stress you find in the startup/scaleup/consumer tech sphere is not there. I still get to do impactful w…

I've thought about doing government tech-related work, but I really do not like the federal government. Especially lately. Vaccine mandates would have pushed me out of the field anyways. It's like being forced to take contraceptives to be employed, so you don't get pregnant and fall out of work for a period of time. Seems like a large overstep, regardless of its efficacy.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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Teaching. I moved from a big tech company to teaching. Teaching is the hardest job I’ve ever done, and requires entire new skills. Teacher pay, depending on where you are, can be real low compared to FAANG money, but damn do I sleep well at night knowing that I help people. There is nothing like watching someone struggle and then suddenly understanding the subject. But seriously, it is a hard job. You learn quickly t…

This is always something in the back of my head as something I'd like to do if I aged out of tech. I come from a family of teachers and got to see first hand the satisfaction that comes from the job. A few years ago I looked my mom up on one of those rate my teacher websites and was pretty shocked at how many kids she impacted. I always assumed she was good at her job and saw her go above and beyond but seeing it was…

>I always assumed she was good at her job and saw her go above and beyond but seeing it was eye opening.

I was the only of my mother's children to attend her employer's appreciation event after she died [family did not have a funeral]. It meant so much to see how her community appreciated and respected and missed her. My siblings, her fellow children, did not want to witness this for some reason ["a waste of time"] but it's among the most beautiful things I've witnessed.

To those gathered hundred+ friends of my mother, I loudly thanked them for attending and sharing the spirit of her beautiful life; I told them calmly and proudly that "this is a celebration of 'how you should live your life,' to have left such an impact upon so many wonderful people."

Top 5 life moments/memories. RIP.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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What is your general approach? Selling premium? Earnings announcements? Do you frequent any online communities of professionals, or is it just you, your spouse, and your mentors? Beyond wanting to learn alternative approaches myself, I help moderate a local trading group. We are always looking for presenters in our monthly meetings.

Yes we sell premium. I suggest you listen to the www.tastylive.com people, they are pretty sharp and realistic. We do NOT listen to anyone but the math and our mentors who help us add realism to the approach. Pure math is ok but, as Simons showed, you need a little guesswork in there. We use graphical representations of complex data sets ALA Tufte.

Is this a sponsored comment?

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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but he's back to where he started in the beginning. I didn't sound like there was any more self actualization, after he went back.

Right, but these sort of narratives are rarely linear. In either case they would have been working compilers. At least in this version of events, they got to take a shot at a passion. They could also try again and have a roadmap and the courage to take a leap like that.

Or it opens up a third option that would not have been available otherwise.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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I used to work as a compiler engineer in the US for several years, before deciding to try starting over at the age of 30, in pure mathematics. I moved from the US to Paris in pursuit of an affordable mathematics education, and spent two years in a Masters program. I did have a considerable amount of savings, but it was very risky nevertheless: if it didn't work out, I'd be out-of-touch with compilers, and it would be…

"If you don’t have [nice things], they can mean a great deal to you. When you do have them, they mean nothing. To me, the unhappiest people in the world are those in the watering places, the international watering places, the south coast of France and Newport and Palm Springs and Palm Beach. Going to parties every night, playing golf every afternoon, then bridge. Drinking too much, talking too much, thinking too litt…

Sounds good, doesn't actually mean much. It's just an extended version of "money doesn't buy happiness".

Money buys the ability to do whatever you want. It buys you the ability to take what would normally be big risks. It also buys you the ability to live a sad but otherwise comfortable life on a beach.

Money bought the person you responded to the ability to travel the world and study math, instead of worrying about getting food on the table or taking care of family.

Denying this is one of the most ignorant things people with money can do. It's the core of many problems in society, as it's directly related to the inability for many in power to empathize with people who are less fortunate.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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The greatest such story I've ever read is this one from a GitHub issue comment: https://github.com/docker/cli/issues/267#issuecomment-695149... > Sorry I missed your comment of many months ago. I no longer build software; I now make furniture out of wood. The hours are long, the pay sucks, and there's always the opportunity to remove my finger with a table saw, but nobody asks me if I can add an RSS feed to a DBMS, s…

That's me! It also generated a rather large discussion here and if you want to read how things were going up to that point, I posted a lengthy comment there: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24541964 How am I doing now? Still good, still grateful to be married to somebody who gets good health insurance through their job. Still need to update my website a bit (is that work ever really done?). Still working on the…

Out of curiosity did you go into woodworking with the intent of making a living from it? Or were you in the position where you had enough savings/passive income/whatever to keep the lights on if woodworking didn't provide a steady income?
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