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Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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I think in order to be used in image tech, it shouldn't be shipped as PNG, even with lossless compression. It should be BMP, ideally with the PBM, PGM and PPM formats too. Not sure how serious this is, though. :/

I think if you’re working in computer graphics you can work out how to convert a PNG.

The point is you want a compression and artifact free benchmark image.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

#92

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you're confused between what's legally permitted vs what's ethical. something being legal doesn't prevent anyone from protesting or doing something about it, even if they had accepted a legal risk. you're also just wrong about the legal aspect of it and seem unfamiliar with licensing

What's the moral principle at stake here that drives this into the ethical domain?

Privacy? I don’t know, I’m not a legal scholar, but it seems clear to me that if someone wants old pictures of themselves removed from circulation, it is ethical to consider it.

Our legal and ethical systems both try to avoid permanently chaining you to decisions you regret.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

#93
post #78
post #49

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…

May I suggest more empathy for your fellow humans? We aren't good at weighing long-term consequences, especially when we're young (as in the model's case) or in financial need (IDK if that was a factor here; it wouldn't surprise me). Contracts between parties of such unequal bargaining power can't be ethically valid IMO, whatever legally validity they may claim. Likewise, 20y+ contracts involving individuals aren't w…

>> Fine for organizations like businesses and governments though.

Curious, would it be possible for you to expand on this?

To me, if anything, one generation committing to a future that another will be responsible for is just as ethically problematic, if not more, given the overall impact.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

#94
post #73

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Consent

Whose consent? The model's, who never owned the rights to the photograph, or Playboy who does? Both parties gave consent to a million readers across the world to see the full picture .

This is not how photo licensing works. Photos don't magically become public domain because they've been published. There was never any license for it to be re-published and re-distributed in the context of test imagery.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

#95

It's astonishing how a supposedly liberal and tolerant society is so much hateful towards eroticism it considers the Lena pic originating from a PlayBoy magazine to have a "troubled" origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_sexuality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-sex-markets/

that said, its considered problematic, or troubled, not because its erotica, but because a group of men used a photo of that nature as the test image. some could, and some probably do, consider that to be objectifying women, particularly when the field is so dominated by men that women may feel that it signals that their worth is judged by their sexual appeal more than their technical skills. and, i could well imagine how I might feel in that situation.

however, there is also something to this that feels overwrought, or perhaps even like a little old-fashioned prudishness.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

#96

About 10-12 years ago a (female) friend of mine went to a "slutwalk". Slutwaks were a precursor to the "#MeToo movement". She carried a sign with a short slogan and got captured by a press fotographer. The photo went into the press foto agencys and for a time almost every article in germany about sexism used it for illustration. Even some international publication picked the foto up. After a while she tried to contac…

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Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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post #78
post #49

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…

May I suggest more empathy for your fellow humans? We aren't good at weighing long-term consequences, especially when we're young (as in the model's case) or in financial need (IDK if that was a factor here; it wouldn't surprise me). Contracts between parties of such unequal bargaining power can't be ethically valid IMO, whatever legally validity they may claim. Likewise, 20y+ contracts involving individuals aren't w…

You need to consider the possibility that this isn't actually the predominant mores of our society - which sticks closer to "you should stand by your agreements" than "agreements between parties of unequal bargaining power are invalid".

To bring your two examples together: I don't think it's a commonly shared opinion that 30 year mortgages are unethical.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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post #78
post #49

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…

May I suggest more empathy for your fellow humans? We aren't good at weighing long-term consequences, especially when we're young (as in the model's case) or in financial need (IDK if that was a factor here; it wouldn't surprise me). Contracts between parties of such unequal bargaining power can't be ethically valid IMO, whatever legally validity they may claim. Likewise, 20y+ contracts involving individuals aren't w…

May I instead suggest avoiding asking loaded questions? Nothing I said precludes me from having compassion for this person. My point is that it's just not an ethical concern.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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post #49

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…

> When you're using your own body in a business transaction (of _any kind_) you should really think through the possible consequences. Yeah, when she was modelling for playboy she should've thought "what if a nerd somewhere takes this photo of me and unknowingly turns it into a commonplace testing asset in an industry niche in 50 years that doesn't even exist in my current time?" More seriously, the original copyrigh…

Does that make it the first instance of Swedish computer piracy?

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

#100

Can we please just have some things with some soul? This is a cute photo, the model in the photo has said she thinks is cool and kindof funny that it has been used for image research, the story is kindof cute and funny, and it's just...all around wholesome. The people who want to get rid of this stuff are sad. The world does not need to be a soulless, beige, featureless, boring slurry of boring featureless HR spoken…

She said: “I retired from modelling a long time ago. It’s time I retired from tech, too. We can make a simple change today that creates a lasting change for tomorrow. Let’s commit to losing me.”

https://www.thedrum.com/news/2019/11/19/gender-equality-ad-c...

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