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Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're confused between what's legally permitted vs what's ethical. something being legal doesn't prevent anyone from protesting or doing something about it, even if they had accepted a legal risk. you're also just wrong about the legal aspect of it and seem unfamiliar with licensing

What's the moral principle at stake here that drives this into the ethical domain?

There doesn't have to be one in this specific case for their claim to be true.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're confused between what's legally permitted vs what's ethical. something being legal doesn't prevent anyone from protesting or doing something about it, even if they had accepted a legal risk. you're also just wrong about the legal aspect of it and seem unfamiliar with licensing

What's the moral principle at stake here that drives this into the ethical domain?

Consent

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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So we're swapping the possibly problematic ethics of a original with the possibly problematic ethics of showing this to people? I mean is it normal to find that mustache and hat combo this attractive, (as a hetero male)???

How is this image ethically problematic?

It isn't. Just like the original and the cropped version aren't ethically problematic. It was a commercial photo shoot performed under paid contract with a public magazine.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

#75
post #49

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…

She wasn't upset at the photo being used, she was upset at the idea that it could discourage women from working for a tech company.

But that isn't universally true either. This is like a conditional hypothetical. If this hypothetically this is causing women to not work for tech companies, then in that case she could hypothetically not like that.

This is somebody (the OP) trying to use a drummed up controversy to promote themselves. It's gross.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Side note: https://sipi.usc.edu/database/database.php?volume=misc&image... >Please note that we no longer distribute the following images that were previously available in our database: 4.2.04 (lena), 4.2.02 (tiffany), elaine.512, numbers.512 and testpat.1k. Although these images have played a significant role in the history of image processing, they no longer represent the best examples for future research. What are…

Took a look at them in Wayback, and the images of other women look similarly styled (could be other models?), and the numbers and testpat images use the Lena image as part of them.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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post #49

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…

you're confused between what's legally permitted vs what's ethical. something being legal doesn't prevent anyone from protesting or doing something about it, even if they had accepted a legal risk. you're also just wrong about the legal aspect of it and seem unfamiliar with licensing

Aren't most of "ethics" just concepts created by existing power structures to justify and maintain their legitimacy? Does loading your opinion with "ethics" make it any more valid?

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

#78
post #49

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…

May I suggest more empathy for your fellow humans?

We aren't good at weighing long-term consequences, especially when we're young (as in the model's case) or in financial need (IDK if that was a factor here; it wouldn't surprise me).

Contracts between parties of such unequal bargaining power can't be ethically valid IMO, whatever legally validity they may claim.

Likewise, 20y+ contracts involving individuals aren't wise. (Fine for organizations like businesses and governments though.)

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

#79
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the moral principle at stake here that drives this into the ethical domain?

Consent

Whose consent? The model's, who never owned the rights to the photograph, or Playboy who does? Both parties gave consent to a million readers across the world to see the full picture.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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post #49

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…

> When you're using your own body in a business transaction (of _any kind_) you should really think through the possible consequences.

Yeah, when she was modelling for playboy she should've thought "what if a nerd somewhere takes this photo of me and unknowingly turns it into a commonplace testing asset in an industry niche in 50 years that doesn't even exist in my current time?"

More seriously, the original copyright owner (the photographer? playboy?) probably didn't license it for use as a visual benchmarking asset for graphics algorithms.

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