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Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by raincole »

josephcsible wrote: post #52
matthews2 wrote: post #3

Background: the original Lena picture comes from the Playboy Magazine, and the model doesn't want people to use it. https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/it-s-time-to-retire-...

Contrast that case with this one: https://www.boredpanda.com/unflattering-donald-trump-chin-ph... Why is it that in the former, everyone says you're a horrible person who deserves to be cancelled if you ignore the subject's wishes to not use the picture, but in the latter, everyone says it's a great thing if you ignore the subject's wishes to not use the picture?

Correct answer: because one is politican and the other isn't

Real answer: because people have double, triple, multiple standards.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by twodave »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #58
twodave wrote: post #49

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…

you're confused between what's legally permitted vs what's ethical. something being legal doesn't prevent anyone from protesting or doing something about it, even if they had accepted a legal risk. you're also just wrong about the legal aspect of it and seem unfamiliar with licensing

I don't agree, since she was paid (and presumably she could attempt to buy the rights back if she felt really passionate about this). An example of an actual ethics issue would be e.g. the NCAA barring athletes from profiting from their name, image and likeness for so long.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by Steltek »

josephcsible wrote: post #52
matthews2 wrote: post #3

Background: the original Lena picture comes from the Playboy Magazine, and the model doesn't want people to use it. https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/it-s-time-to-retire-...

Contrast that case with this one: https://www.boredpanda.com/unflattering-donald-trump-chin-ph... Why is it that in the former, everyone says you're a horrible person who deserves to be cancelled if you ignore the subject's wishes to not use the picture, but in the latter, everyone says it's a great thing if you ignore the subject's wishes to not use the picture?

Because ridiculing world leaders is essential to liberty and free exercise of democracy? Especially POTUS, which is arguably the top of the heap. You don't need to agree, believe it has any merit, or anything like that. It's more important that the right exists than how it's used.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by rom-antics »

matthews2 wrote: post #3

Background: the original Lena picture comes from the Playboy Magazine, and the model doesn't want people to use it. https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/it-s-time-to-retire-...

That article doesn't support the headline. The closest it gets is saying nobody asked her beforehand, but she doesn't say after the fact that she wants people to stop.

Meanwhile, from the people who actually bothered to talk to her[1]:

> In her view, the photograph is an immense accomplishment that just happened to take on a life of its own. “I’m really proud of that picture,” she said.

This whole situation reminds me of GitHub, Fuck Your Name Change[2]. People want to drum up outrage and don't care one bit about the people involved.

Is it really worth erasing a piece of computing history because of some kids virtue signaling about a picture that was taken before they were born?

[1]: https://www.wired.com/story/finding-lena-the-patron-saint-of...

[2]: https://mooseyanon.medium.com/github-f-ck-your-name-change-d...

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by abofh »

josephcsible wrote: post #52
matthews2 wrote: post #3

Background: the original Lena picture comes from the Playboy Magazine, and the model doesn't want people to use it. https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/it-s-time-to-retire-...

Contrast that case with this one: https://www.boredpanda.com/unflattering-donald-trump-chin-ph... Why is it that in the former, everyone says you're a horrible person who deserves to be cancelled if you ignore the subject's wishes to not use the picture, but in the latter, everyone says it's a great thing if you ignore the subject's wishes to not use the picture?

Exceeding scope; I took your picture and used it in an ad campaign, I exceeded scope. I took your picture as president of a country and used it in a blog, I didn't.

This is a trivial discussion, but that's your answer

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by super256 »

jaclaz wrote: post #51

Side note: https://sipi.usc.edu/database/database.php?volume=misc&image... >Please note that we no longer distribute the following images that were previously available in our database: 4.2.04 (lena), 4.2.02 (tiffany), elaine.512, numbers.512 and testpat.1k. Although these images have played a significant role in the history of image processing, they no longer represent the best examples for future research. What are…

> What are the reasons for not distributing anymore the other ones?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19182497

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by omnibrain »

About 10-12 years ago a (female) friend of mine went to a "slutwalk". Slutwaks were a precursor to the "#MeToo movement". She carried a sign with a short slogan and got captured by a press fotographer. The photo went into the press foto agencys and for a time almost every article in germany about sexism used it for illustration. Even some international publication picked the foto up.

After a while she tried to contact them and tell them, that she wants her face back. But it was always difficult to get them to drop the foto.

I google it from time to time and even in 2020 the foto still got used.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #58
twodave wrote: post #49

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it. I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to resp…

you're confused between what's legally permitted vs what's ethical. something being legal doesn't prevent anyone from protesting or doing something about it, even if they had accepted a legal risk. you're also just wrong about the legal aspect of it and seem unfamiliar with licensing

What's the moral principle at stake here that drives this into the ethical domain?

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by daneel_w »

CydeWeys wrote: post #14
nix23 wrote: post #2

First why not Lenard and Second, the picture (the short one) shows her hair and ceiling and not her breasts. And Third but minor complaint, if we look at the "Full" picture i at least "want" to see his butt.

Dude, it's literally porn. This is not hard.

It's not pornography. The full image is erotic in its nature. The cropped image aligns with pretty much any other non-nude glamour photography.
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