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Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by vidarh »

iamflimflam1 wrote: post #9

One of the advantages of everyone using the same picture is that it's quite easy to compare different algorithms. There are obviously better pictures that could be used - ones that would have characteristics that let you test and compare different aspects of whatever algorithms you are using. Not sure the picture in the OP is particularly useful if I'm honest.

The risk of everyone using the same image for actual tests is overfitting.

It's not clear that continuing to use the Lena image is particularly useful. It's more of a tradition than anything else.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by throw009 »

sergiotapia wrote: post #27

"However, 46 years on, Lena is still being used as a test image. According to Creatable and Code Like Girl, this is symbolic of how women were left out and pushed out of the industry." No comment necessary.

Plenty of comment necessary.

Models give up the rights to their image to be paid for the shoot.

Why is it that a century of legal and moral president needs to be thrown out because someone says they don't like it?

The only person with a leg to stand on here is the photographers whose copyright is being infringed and even that is debatable.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by sorenjan »

vidarh wrote: post #33
sorenjan wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really up to models to decide what their pictures gets used for though. Why should this be different? From what I gather it's not because she's uncomfortable with it being used, it's because of controversy other people have drummed up: > When I asked her if she had heard anything about the recent controversy around her image, she seemed alarmed at the thought that she could have a part in hurting or discoura…

She doesn't have any way to force people to stop, but that doesn't mean people can't take her opinion into account.

Her opinion doesn't seem to match the articles claim:

> Lena doesn’t harbor any resentment toward Sawchuk and his imitators for how they appropriated her image; the only note of regret she expressed was that she wasn’t better compensated. In her view, the photograph is an immense accomplishment that just happened to take on a life of its own. “I’m really proud of that picture,” she said.

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by shadowgovt »

sorenjan wrote: post #28
seventytwo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn’t realize the model doesn’t want people using it. That holds more weight in my mind than the fact that it was in playboy.

It's not really up to models to decide what their pictures gets used for though. Why should this be different? From what I gather it's not because she's uncomfortable with it being used, it's because of controversy other people have drummed up: > When I asked her if she had heard anything about the recent controversy around her image, she seemed alarmed at the thought that she could have a part in hurting or discoura…

So there's contracts and there's intent and morality.

The argument you have presented is analogous (like, right next door; they share a side-yard, their kids go to the same school, and they co-organize the neighborhood potluck) to the argument that you and I have no right to our data not being thrown in a big hopper to generate an AI that is designed to operate directly counter to our personal interests.

After all, if you didn't want thousands of websites hoovering up your information, transferring it to a central clearinghouse, and that clearinghouse building an AI to put you out of a job... You should never have logged onto those websites, right? Those TOS clearly said they could use your data for any purpose. The contract was quite clear (had we bothered to read it).

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by throw009 »

CydeWeys wrote: post #14
nix23 wrote: post #2

First why not Lenard and Second, the picture (the short one) shows her hair and ceiling and not her breasts. And Third but minor complaint, if we look at the "Full" picture i at least "want" to see his butt.

Dude, it's literally porn. This is not hard.

What sort of hussy shows her shoulders?

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by sorenjan »

logimus wrote: post #31
matthews2 wrote: post #3

Background: the original Lena picture comes from the Playboy Magazine, and the model doesn't want people to use it. https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/it-s-time-to-retire-...

Really some computer vision guy told she was at some conference to give out signatures.

In 1997 and 2015.

From the picture's Wikipedia:

Lenna is so widely accepted in the image processing community that Forsén was a guest at the 50th annual Conference of the Society for Imaging Science and Technology (IS&T) in 1997.[18] In 2015, Lena Forsén was also guest of honor at the banquet of IEEE ICIP 2015.[19] After delivering a speech, she chaired the best paper award ceremony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by nix23 »

EGreg wrote: post #20
nix23 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all about the lights and "well" rounded "objects". But a bavarian belly could do the job as well.

I mean, rendering fingers and butts are things we need the AI to improve in.

Pretty sure the Internet's want feet not finger, and yeah butts ;))

Re: Ethically Sourced Lena Picture

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Post by twodave »

I was expecting to read some story about criminal exploitation, but this sounds like it's just... completely above-board? As a few other commenters stated, the model hasn't explicitly stated whether she supports the use of the photo or not. Even if she did explicitly come out and say she doesn't like people using it, she doesn't own the rights to it.

I'm fine with (and happy for) people going above and beyond to respect someone else's dignity, but this is less about ethics and more about one person's potential regret over a business transaction. Just because you regret doing a deal doesn't mean others are unethical for benefiting from it. When you're using your own body in a business transaction (of _any kind_) you should really think through the possible consequences. Whether it's getting a tattoo or putting your kids on TV or selling photos to Playboy, those all have ramifications you won't be able to control very well later on.

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