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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

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In some ways I feel lucky that tech was an early career change for me. I was trying to get a career in the arts off the ground, and it was going poorly. I was a recent grad millennial in the economy of the 2008 recession.

The decision to turn my back on what I thought was my passion was a profound spiritual experience. The decision to change came from outside of me. The decision of what path to follow was up to me though.

Tech was hiring and hiring like crazy, and I wasn't going to do an unprofitable degree twice so CS it was. I had a job before I graduated making 4x what my mom was making at her non-profit admin job.

If I hadn't pursued my art career first and had the chance to get deeply disillusioned with it, I would definitely be sitting at my desk trying to write code and thinking "what if... I'm not made for this... there's something else..." The truth is that I'm not cut out for the arts industry. I like stability, I like being salaried, I like having the upper hand in the hiring market (I know Big Tech is doing layoffs, but try spamming applications for a year to everything you can think of until the only place that calls you back is a cashier position at a grocery store. I have skills that are in demand now.) I like work that is decent and stimulating enough but which is definitely not "my passion" because that helps me keep boundaries on it.

I feel for folks who didn't get that chance to try out that other thing, who went straight into this career maybe because they wanted to, maybe because they didn't have the safety net I had that allowed me to do a second degree, maybe because life has held them down and change doesn't feel like an option. I've been out there with my chosen field and gotten burned hard by it so I'm content to stay put. It's definitely one of the cliche sayings about how the lows make the highs much higher.

I have no useful advice for anybody beyond their very early 20s facing this question. I know I would be eaten by this question if I hadn't already gotten my answer at the start.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#162

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>why would you just accumulate savings without using them for living an interesting life? Having kids. Not that you have to do this with kids, but it is a reason

I don’t understand Americans POV on this subject. Other than providing tutors and making sure their children are in the best secondary schools, I don’t understand the American obsession with paying for college. The best way to prepare your child is to let them experience reality not coddle them. - A luxury university diploma will not guarantee a good job - There are other educational opportunities besides an expensiv…

Why are you talking about college? Having kids in general is very, very expensive. More so if you want to provide them with opportunities and activities as they grow up.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#163

I used to work as a compiler engineer in the US for several years, before deciding to try starting over at the age of 30, in pure mathematics. I moved from the US to Paris in pursuit of an affordable mathematics education, and spent two years in a Masters program. I did have a considerable amount of savings, but it was very risky nevertheless: if it didn't work out, I'd be out-of-touch with compilers, and it would be…

>I'd be out-of-touch with compilers Why? Ive always thought that those jobs are like: every company does it a little bit different (tools, processes, architecture) but theory, parsing and LLVM stay the same. So what changes in e.g year or two? new CPU instructions? Architectures? How does your job look like? You are doing more frontend or backend work?

It's less a question about what changes, and more a question about how well you can recall your past experience (I had the big picture, but forgot the details of several optimizations I'd written in the past, as well as certain CS fundamentals), and how well you can do online coding interviews (I've only written Coq, at a glacial pace, over the last three years).

I will mainly be working on the middle-end and back-end for RISC-V.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#164
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Yes, I have gone back and forth. I always miss the money but not the stress. I've been a junior dev at Bank of America, then a contract dev salaried through robert half, and after than a lot of odd end jobs, then a dev for a small manufacturing tracking software company, then retail, now I'm teaching computer science in high school. This is probably the best job I've had. It still has stress and burnout, but summers…

Does teaching bring you sense of satisfaction?

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#165

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But tech workers get far more respect than people in OP's current role of a receptionist, barista, waiter, and/or housekeeping.

By most measures, yes. Tech workers get more money, better hours, easier working conditions, and will impress your partner's parents more. But I'd wager the barista gets thanked more often, and their customers like them more.

I'm going to guess you have never worked a service job.

It sucks. People suck, you get yelled at, insulted, demeaned, shit pay, long hours.

Tech work is the cushiest job ever. It takes almost no effort to get into, you get paid insanely well, and skills are always in demand.

What is there to complain about?

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>why would you just accumulate savings without using them for living an interesting life? Having kids. Not that you have to do this with kids, but it is a reason

I don’t understand Americans POV on this subject. Other than providing tutors and making sure their children are in the best secondary schools, I don’t understand the American obsession with paying for college. The best way to prepare your child is to let them experience reality not coddle them. - A luxury university diploma will not guarantee a good job - There are other educational opportunities besides an expensiv…

I’m American and I don’t really understand where you are coming from. Except for some of the elite universities I don’t think the main reason is networking.

My college experience was at a regular school learning and gaining experience through work. No debt, no loans, and state scholarship that paid 100% tuition if I went to a public school in my state. The scholarship required a 3.0 in high school and thereafter. Most of my high school friends who went to college did a similar thing.

Sure some went to Ivy League or other expensive networking type schools but it was the exception.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#167

In some ways I feel lucky that tech was an early career change for me. I was trying to get a career in the arts off the ground, and it was going poorly. I was a recent grad millennial in the economy of the 2008 recession. The decision to turn my back on what I thought was my passion was a profound spiritual experience. The decision to change came from outside of me. The decision of what path to follow was up to me th…

I feel very fortunate I had a similar experience. When I was younger I joined the Army and after that did construction. I look back at those experiences and I realize how lucky I am to be able to work in Tech. Unfortunately a lot of people jump into tech at 22/23 fresh out of school. They work 10 years and start to become disillusioned that tech work is bad because they have nothing to contrast it to.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#168
Very early in my career, I briefly took a non tech job to get out of one I hated.

I say briefly because I quickly found myself in a job that surrounded by 100 problems easily solvable with simple tech solutions, and started to do them- either because it saved me time or it was painful to watch other people do something painful slow when simple tools would do it— things like stitching together data files (basically a join) with a small C program because the ancient mainframe reporting system was limited in max char lengths from columns.

It was very fulfilling to be in a non-tech environment where my impact on things was so immediately tangible and useful, instead of a place where direct benefits were rarely apparent.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#169
I'm on a hiatus from tech after nearly 20 years at a FAANG, I'm now an airline pilot.

The money sucks and the hours are long, but somehow the simplicity of the mission (go from A to B, don't bend any metal) appeals to me. Being able to switch the phone off after work, not having to worry about stupid office politics, planning, or performance reviews is quite liberating. The view from my office desk is unbeatable!

I'm sure this job will lose its lustre soon enough, and maybe I'll return to tech, but for now it's fun.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone started over outside of tech?

#170

Retrained last year as a horticulturalist after 30+ years in IT and communications. I am fitter and healthier than I have been in decades. Pay rates in the industry are low but I am building up my own business and enjoying the lifestyle benefits. Thoroughly recommend it.

This sounds interesting. Could you give some more information on what is required in terms of training, and work opportunities?
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