Live data from Hacker News

Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents

github.com

81–90 of 719 posts

Re: Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents

#81
post #37

I wonder what the memory requirements would be to run such a large model. I'd love to be able to run this model, alas my MacBook can barely run toy models.

You would need over 65GB of RAM. There are consumer GPUs that have 48GB of RAM, and can be tethered together with NVLink. I wonder if that would work.

Re: Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents

#82
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know. Is there anything stopping you using the latest Miley Cyrus album for commercial purposes if you downloaded it via torrent and never agreed to any licencing terms?

IANAL, but I imagine it's a legal grey area if the weights can be copyrighted? Works produced by purely mechanical means don't normally meet the threshold of originality.

and, copyright rarely bites if you use something without publishing/redistributing it.

It would be like playing copyrighted music in your office without permission. Perhaps technically illegal, but your customers will never know what music your Devs were listening to...

Re: Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents

#83

I'm not surprised-- I recently suggested that someone might try to pull an Aaron Swartz with the LLAMA weights (i.e., release them in an uncontrolled way similar to how Aaron attempted to release the JSTOR database). It's quite misleading for FB to claim that they are being so open, but then hoard the weights and only release it to a few academics. If the paper is to be believed, this is a major development, allowing…

> It's quite misleading for FB to claim that they are being so open, but then hoard the weights and only release it to a few academics.

I mean at least they didn’t pick a name that heavily implied they were, are, and always will be open. Then do the opposite. You know, like OpenAI?

So now we got some weights I guess.

Re: Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure I'll download TeamMysticAvengers-meta-llm-x-cars-movie-model-x-angelina-jolie-naked-xxx-2023.zip.exe.torrent

Just a sec, need to find the crack on astalavista

This comment took me back, haven't been to astalavista.box.sk in a LONG time - looks like the site is still online in some form (but without the old black and green color scheme)

Re: Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents

#85
post #73
post #41

It’s interesting that these models are both massively expensive to produce and self-contained to a degree that you can distribute the end product in a torrent. This has not been the case for most commercial software for the past 20 years, during the cloud era. If you could steal a dump of random Facebook source code, it would be 99% useless because it’s so closely tied to the infrastructure. There’s almost nothing yo…

> It’s interesting that these models are both massively expensive to produce and self-contained to a degree that you can distribute the end product in a torrent. I was trying to come to grasp with how much resource there is concentrated in one of these models. Somehow I come to the conclusion that it cost more than buying a jet airliner to train one of these models. And it is about the same order of money as commissi…

The crazy thing is that all these models are just one local minimum, out of a staggering (unknown?!) number of such points on the plane.

Re: Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents

#87

opt-175B weights are already openly available as I understand. Hugging-face also has openly available weights for a 176B parameter LLM called Bloom. Is LLAMA offering something over and above these?

according to Facebook Llama beats GPT3 on multiple benchmarks with smaller models that can be fine tune on a single A100 GPU

EDIT: correcting the type of GPU

Re: Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents

#88
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know. Is there anything stopping you using the latest Miley Cyrus album for commercial purposes if you downloaded it via torrent and never agreed to any licencing terms?

IANAL, but I imagine it's a legal grey area if the weights can be copyrighted? Works produced by purely mechanical means don't normally meet the threshold of originality.

I am quite confident that using this model for commercial purposes will, if detected, land you in quite a legal quagmire that almost certainly sides in favor of Meta.

And even if it did not, Meta certainly has a more capable legal team with more cash to spend than the average HN user.

Re: Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents

#89
post #73
post #41

It’s interesting that these models are both massively expensive to produce and self-contained to a degree that you can distribute the end product in a torrent. This has not been the case for most commercial software for the past 20 years, during the cloud era. If you could steal a dump of random Facebook source code, it would be 99% useless because it’s so closely tied to the infrastructure. There’s almost nothing yo…

> It’s interesting that these models are both massively expensive to produce and self-contained to a degree that you can distribute the end product in a torrent. I was trying to come to grasp with how much resource there is concentrated in one of these models. Somehow I come to the conclusion that it cost more than buying a jet airliner to train one of these models. And it is about the same order of money as commissi…

No you are probably overestimating the cost by 1-2 orders of magnitude. GPT-3 probably cost under $5 million, and this model is smaller and there have been algorithmic improvements to training transformers since then.

Re: Facebook LLAMA is being openly distributed via torrents

#90

I give it a week before we see tools for subtly watermarking your secret LLM's weights, so you can trace leaks like this later.

Could already have happened in these weights. Reminds me of when the movie studios started projecting random dot patterns during movies to try to catch which theaters were leading to bootlegs. Their approach was essentially defeated by pirates sourcing multiple versions and combining them. In this case, I suspect you could add a small normally distributed random number to some random subset of the weights and it would have very little impact on performance but would corrupt any watermark beyond recognition.
Post reply on HN