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Re: Need for cognition

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Post by xyzelement »

Teever wrote: post #94
xyzelement wrote: post #80

This maps to something I've noticed. There's a pattern where human beings are wired to enjoy things that are important for their survival and thriving, but that these instincts are easily hijacked for aimless gratification. Eating junk food (vs stuff that gives you health and energy) or whacking off to porn (instead of healthy relationships and procreation) are examples of this. Anyway "the need for cognition"... I n…

In some of his better known work, a then little known mathematician wrote about this sort of behaviour, the deep underlying societal causes, and proposed explosive solutions to the problem: " We use the term “surrogate activity” to designate an activity that is directed toward an artificial goal that people set up for themselves merely in order to have some goal to work toward, or let us say, merely for the sake of t…

Lol! Thank you.

Re: Need for cognition

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Post by specialist »

Waterluvian wrote: post #93

This might be the problem I have with my in-laws. They’re good and mostly happy people but they’re incredibly… simple? Visiting with them is one of the most excruciating things in my life. All they want to do is talk about complete drivel. Gossip about the neighbour’s garbage cans or their visit to Costco. I’m not judging. It makes them happy. Great. But spending hours there I just feel my brain dying. It’s not for m…

Are your in-laws happy? If yes, perhaps how they communicate is more important than topic. Costco, tulips, volcanos, whatever. I'm sure they ran out of new things to say decades ago.

Forging a healthy, functional, durable marriage is quite the trick. Maybe they figured it out.

Re: Need for cognition

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Post by nine_k »

wruza wrote: post #92
xyzelement wrote: post #80

This maps to something I've noticed. There's a pattern where human beings are wired to enjoy things that are important for their survival and thriving, but that these instincts are easily hijacked for aimless gratification. Eating junk food (vs stuff that gives you health and energy) or whacking off to porn (instead of healthy relationships and procreation) are examples of this. Anyway "the need for cognition"... I n…

Real life puzzles are barely purely logical and there’s a lot of competition and superiority that simply bs you over and uses other methods to undermine your effort. I solve mathdoku before bedtime for fun, but when it comes to “business” I usually want to take a board and smash these smiling snakefaces with it, because that is the most logical move. E.g. in chess they call it “simplification”. Unfortunately that’s i…

Mathdoku is a fun way to flex the reasoning circuitry.

But where cognition is needed in business it is knowing how to outsmart these snakefaces, how to think a few moves ahead of them, how to know the stuff that matters before they know it.

Smashing these faces is no more logical than smashing a chessboard when the stupid stubborn pieces won't move the way you had anticipated. It is tantamount to admitting that cognition has not been successfully applied, or maybe even engaged.

Look at artificially produced puzzles that tickle your cognition gland the same way you look at artificially produced snacks, optimized to tickle your taste buds and hijack your sense of "delicious", without providing anything nutritious.

Look at real-world, gnarly, complicated, seemingly self-contradictory problems as you look at natural, raw produce, with its variety of nutrients, vitamins, fibers, etc, all tangled together, with a taste which may not be as refined as refined sugar, but which is really rich.

Re: Need for cognition

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

tripdout wrote: post #99
xyzelement wrote: post #80

This maps to something I've noticed. There's a pattern where human beings are wired to enjoy things that are important for their survival and thriving, but that these instincts are easily hijacked for aimless gratification. Eating junk food (vs stuff that gives you health and energy) or whacking off to porn (instead of healthy relationships and procreation) are examples of this. Anyway "the need for cognition"... I n…

whacking off to porn (instead of healthy relationships and procreation) These two things are not mutually exclusive nor is there a correlation between them.

A simple search to scholar.google.com suggests otherwise.

There are even aggregates like : https://ofloveandfriendship.wordpress.com/2019/11/02/the-deb...

Of course it might go against your worldview or political views, so you might reject all arguments.

Re: Need for cognition

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Post by defrost »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #105
tripdout wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

whacking off to porn (instead of healthy relationships and procreation) These two things are not mutually exclusive nor is there a correlation between them.

A simple search to scholar.google.com suggests otherwise. There are even aggregates like : https://ofloveandfriendship.wordpress.com/2019/11/02/the-deb... Of course it might go against your worldview or political views, so you might reject all arguments.

Linking to

     a sappy marriage and family studies student at Brigham Young University-Idaho
the lens of Mormon Family Values is hardly objective.

Sure, it's a valid view of the world, but a globally niche PoV.

Re: Need for cognition

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

defrost wrote: post #106
4gotunameagain wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A simple search to scholar.google.com suggests otherwise. There are even aggregates like : https://ofloveandfriendship.wordpress.com/2019/11/02/the-deb... Of course it might go against your worldview or political views, so you might reject all arguments.

Linking to a sappy marriage and family studies student at Brigham Young University-Idaho the lens of Mormon Family Values is hardly objective. Sure, it's a valid view of the world, but a globally niche PoV.

or you can ignore the site and focus on the actual contents which are references form journal publications ?

I am certainly not a fan of Mormons, but that doesn't invalidate every single thing they have to say

Re: Need for cognition

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Post by wruza »

nine_k wrote: post #103
wruza wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real life puzzles are barely purely logical and there’s a lot of competition and superiority that simply bs you over and uses other methods to undermine your effort. I solve mathdoku before bedtime for fun, but when it comes to “business” I usually want to take a board and smash these smiling snakefaces with it, because that is the most logical move. E.g. in chess they call it “simplification”. Unfortunately that’s i…

Mathdoku is a fun way to flex the reasoning circuitry. But where cognition is needed in business it is knowing how to outsmart these snakefaces, how to think a few moves ahead of them, how to know the stuff that matters before they know it. Smashing these faces is no more logical than smashing a chessboard when the stupid stubborn pieces won't move the way you had anticipated. It is tantamount to admitting that cogni…

You’re right, this aggression and escapism reports to anxiety, which interferes with C. But personally I don’t find it worth to tolerate bad feelings (been there) or dig deeper for years (done that) only to own better things or to be at better places. Fine as it is.

Re: Need for cognition

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Post by wruza »

hinkley wrote: post #64
RC_ITR wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be careful assuming that humans (especially the humans you see) are the lion's share of cost for any system. Sure, Uber passes 60-75% of the fare to drivers, but that pays for the depreciation/opportunity cost of the vehicle, the energy to move the vehicle, the insurance, the cleaning, etc. A lot of the problems that these 'no brainer' new technology start-ups face (e.g., the autonomous delivery robots) is actually t…

$5 would be a game changer but as you say, it’s more likely to be $20 which is not that big of a game changer.

Not having to deal with a driver would be worth even the same $50, for a while. I live in a relatively nice-drivers area, but from what I’ve heard about Uber, people would probably pay extra for an empty car (in some situations).

Re: Need for cognition

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Post by nine_k »

wruza wrote: post #108
nine_k wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mathdoku is a fun way to flex the reasoning circuitry. But where cognition is needed in business it is knowing how to outsmart these snakefaces, how to think a few moves ahead of them, how to know the stuff that matters before they know it. Smashing these faces is no more logical than smashing a chessboard when the stupid stubborn pieces won't move the way you had anticipated. It is tantamount to admitting that cogni…

You’re right, this aggression and escapism reports to anxiety, which interferes with C. But personally I don’t find it worth to tolerate bad feelings (been there) or dig deeper for years (done that) only to own better things or to be at better places. Fine as it is.

It's a completely fine and relatable choice, as long as it's a consciously made choice.

It's a "sour grapes" situation that usually invites cooling down and actually thinking a bit more. Which apparently is not your situation (good).

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