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Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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I must have missed something. This article is about the Moon.

And comment you replied to is about Mars.

But it's not clear why that author decided to talk about Mars. They didn't connect their comment to to the article at all.

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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post #177

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Do you honestly consider modifying the core idea of the 24 hour day to be a "slight tweak"? I can't even imagine how many different things rely on that assumption. (and I'm sorry, but what does "naming months and seasons in Mars" have to do with this?)

The very first entry on the list of falsehoods programmers believe about time[0] is that there are always 24 hours in a day. [0] https://gist.github.com/timvisee/fcda9bbdff88d45cc9061606b4b... 23:59:60 happens when we add leap seconds to the clock, for instance...

> there are always 24 hours in a day

Daylight savings time is a much larger departure from this rule ;)

> 23:59:60 happens when we add leap seconds to the clock

Not anymore! Or, maybe not anymore. We've agreed to phase out leap seconds before 2035 [1] and we probably won't get a 23:59:60 before then [2].

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03783-5

[2] https://manifold.markets/Yev/will-there-be-another-positive-...

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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Still think life would be simpler if we all just adopted .beats (Swatch Internet Time): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time

Ugh, yes! I keep coming back to .beats as the general solution for all time-related problems.

Here's my small contribution to furthering the effort: https://beats.wiki

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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I am a proponent of a Martian timekeeping system where each day has 24 hours 39 minutes and 35.244 seconds and all the rest of time units have standard lengths. For example, at midnight your martian clock would show the time as 24:39:35 for a fraction of a second, then wound back to 00:00:00. The calendar then would track the Earth calendar as close as possible, with shortened months to accommodate for the longer day…

Despite this, I'm an advocate for martian self-determination when it comes to deciding their timekeeping system. Earthlings, despite their good intentions, should stay out of the matter categorically.

Everyone says this but reality never seems to work out that way when push comes to shove.

Will you be singing that tune when a religious minority you hate moves there, establishes a theocratic government, starts teaching women to read, hanging undesirables and troublemakers and regressing on pretty much every human right your ancestors died for, bonus points for starting a war with the locals.

That said, in the historical example I'm referencing the state was too weak to do much about them from afar and they did clean itself up after subsequent immigration diluted their culture over the following 100yr. God what a bunch of assholes they were in the meantime though...

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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I am a proponent of a Martian timekeeping system where each day has 24 hours 39 minutes and 35.244 seconds and all the rest of time units have standard lengths. For example, at midnight your martian clock would show the time as 24:39:35 for a fraction of a second, then wound back to 00:00:00. The calendar then would track the Earth calendar as close as possible, with shortened months to accommodate for the longer day…

Despite this, I'm an advocate for martian self-determination when it comes to deciding their timekeeping system. Earthlings, despite their good intentions, should stay out of the matter categorically.

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Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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post #250

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Huh? For me it is, and has been like that for a very long time. I work with various customers throughout the day, and they are in various different timezones. When I'm not working I almost daily interact with family, again different timezone. I am always aware of various timezones.

Is this the norm for those people too, or are you basically the only one they ever talk to where timezone matters?

They do indeed talk to people in other timezones as well. We may have online meetings sometimes, with at least three timezones involved.

I can't see how one would only contact in touch with people in a single timezone, unless one only wants to have contact with people in continental Europe (excluding e.g. Portugal and Finland), or people in a single timezone in the US. Timezones are everywhere. The earth is a sphere, so.. can't be avoided.

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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post #342
post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The very first entry on the list of falsehoods programmers believe about time[0] is that there are always 24 hours in a day. [0] https://gist.github.com/timvisee/fcda9bbdff88d45cc9061606b4b... 23:59:60 happens when we add leap seconds to the clock, for instance...

> there are always 24 hours in a day Daylight savings time is a much larger departure from this rule ;) > 23:59:60 happens when we add leap seconds to the clock Not anymore! Or, maybe not anymore. We've agreed to phase out leap seconds before 2035 [1] and we probably won't get a 23:59:60 before then [2]. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03783-5 [2] https://manifold.markets/Yev/will-there-be-another-posi…

Oh, I didn't realise that this proposal had been adopted!

I read[0] that "It will take about 50,000 years for a mean solar day to lengthen by one second (at a rate of 2 ms per century)" and "The [accumulated] difference between UTC and UT would reach 0.5 hours after the year 2600 and 6.5 hours around 4600" which I expect will be sufficient to take us through to the time where we will no longer need co-ordinated time or an IERS.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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post #220

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As the world becomes more global, coordinating with people in other times zones will become the norm, not the exception. I expect time zones will fade away then. No need to rush it prematurely though

I cannot imagine a world where "the norm" of human interaction would be with people in other times zones.

That's just the online world.

Most people we interact with on this site are likely in a different timezone, for example.

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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post #341

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And comment you replied to is about Mars.

But it's not clear why that author decided to talk about Mars. They didn't connect their comment to to the article at all.

Sorry about that, I was just throwing somewhere at the bottom of the comment section an off-topic ideea I've been toying with. Didn't expect it will raise such interest and be voted towards the top.
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