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EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by gambiting »

namdnay wrote: post #130
dncornholio wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering what the people who say that no sideloading is a feature have to say now.

What Id say is that today anyone who wants to sell a “smart” product has to write a proper clean iOS app that gets reviewed. Tomorrow I can guarantee they will immediately cut costs and ship out piles of sideloaded garbage Sure, it’s up to the consumer to choose, but they’re not going to write that on the package

>>Tomorrow I can guarantee they will immediately cut costs and ship out piles of sideloaded garbage

Yeah except that's absolute nonsense because you could already do that on Android and yet I recall only one instance where a developer explicitly asked me to sideload an app(for Fortnite, no less). It's going to remain an incredible niche that will affect 0.00001% users at most.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by ohgodplsno »

namdnay wrote: post #130
dncornholio wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering what the people who say that no sideloading is a feature have to say now.

What Id say is that today anyone who wants to sell a “smart” product has to write a proper clean iOS app that gets reviewed. Tomorrow I can guarantee they will immediately cut costs and ship out piles of sideloaded garbage Sure, it’s up to the consumer to choose, but they’re not going to write that on the package

Just like happens daily on Androi... nevermind, it doesn't happen. Beautiful strawman you've built yourself there.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

petodo wrote: post #70
jsnell wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true. They were at over 40% and growing at that time: https://gs.statcounter.com/press/google-gained-market-share-...

That's assuming sites/users in China use statcounter, completely misleading data. According Wikipedia and at least 2 different sources they quote, Google peaked in China at 29-35% and even that seems way too optimistic, if you ask anyone who used search in China back then or have been there. By my experience from years ago was Google search in Chinese language useless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China

Even that percentage of China’s population is equivalent to all of the EU’s.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by mattrighetti »

This sounds nice, but when you really think about the consequences it really is not.

Isn't this going to kill features that only some apps have or offer? What if one day Signal, Telegram or WhatsApp want to implement something "different" that could make messaging better but this policy is making things harder to implement because it would be impossible to make it interoperate with other messaging apps?

I don't get why you would regulate such a thing. I get the feeling that people here enjoy seeing big tech companies "owned" by big governments without actually realising that it is actually going to make things worse, that's what regulation does in most cases.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by jodrellblank »

willyt wrote: post #108
guestbest wrote: post #93

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I thought email already did all of this

I forgot email. Even better, integrate messages with my email client and then they would all be in one place. Can't wait. Don't care how they are sent, just want to know if I write something to someone it gets there. Don't want random strangers to be able to write to me without my consent. That's my spec for the ideal setup.

Twenty two minutes ago you cared about groups, pictures and emojis. Email clients don't do emojis well or groups well, SMS doesn't do any of them, and IIRC Blackberry did everything in one program 15 years ago.

Downvoted because this is the comment equivalent of the manager walking into a technical discussion of how something should work and demanding "just make it work" and leaving. Or commenting on a war topic "I just want peace I don't care how it happens".

Like, you and everyone? But that doesn't make concerns like "people who don't use Facebook don't want their photos routed through Facebook servers without their knowledge or consent" magically vanish. There's a reason federated open protocol multi-service clients never became dominant and it's not because the problem space is trivial. "Just make it work" gets you iMessage, and that slurped your SMSs through Apple servers without telling you, which is still one of the cheekiest most unbelievable things I'd heard of at the time, despite that being tame by big tech company standards today.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by gambiting »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #51

The basic message from EU to innovators is: don't bother. If you manage to create a successful business out of your innovation we will punish you. You created an advanced easy to use connector for your line of phones? Fuck you, you have to change it to a plug that came later and has a different set of trade offs that may not align with your product. You created a messaging service that was way ahead of its time, and…

>> Fuck you, you have to change it to a plug that came later and has a different set of trade offs that may not align with your product.

Quick reminder that Apple was literally one of the companies that invented USB-C and already uses USB-C across many lines of their products. You're making it sound like EU is making them use HDMI for charging or something.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by rjzzleep »

LinuxBender wrote: post #150
Raed667 wrote: post #127

There was a brief period of time where I was able to use IRC, Facebook and MSN from the same client: Pidgin https://pidgin.im/

Adding to that Pidgin has a nice plugin called OTR that enables E2EE regardless of the platform/transport being used. OTR exists for Weechat [1] as well. [1] - https://github.com/mmb/weechat-otr

Signal encryption was born out of OTR, because of the need to do the key exchanges while one party is offline.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by SkeuomorphicBee »

guestbest wrote: post #93
willyt wrote: post #86

If everyone's messaging has to be compatible with everyone else's then maybe we will finally only need one messaging app on our phones again instead of 5. Sounds great. I just want to be able to send messages without thinking about which app I need to go into to communicate with a particular person; that really breaks my flow when I'm trying to get something done. I don't give a shit about any features apart from pic…

I thought email already did all of this

The social contract of email dictates that it is not a real time communication media. Some people do check their email in real time, but many don't, so you can't rely on that.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Post by wallace_g »

pastdiscovery wrote: post #138
dncornholio wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering what the people who say that no sideloading is a feature have to say now.

That the EU's overreach has made a product worse for the majority of its users. As a technical user, it doesn't bother me. When I consider many of my friends, it does bother me—most of them I know with non-iOS devices have complained about their devices moving slowly due to the junkware and the third-party app stores they've acquired (never F-Droid, always something sketchy). When I think about family members, I thin…

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