I hate it. European politicians are ruining the internet.
EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
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Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#142If everyone's messaging has to be compatible with everyone else's then maybe we will finally only need one messaging app on our phones again instead of 5. Sounds great. I just want to be able to send messages without thinking about which app I need to go into to communicate with a particular person; that really breaks my flow when I'm trying to get something done. I don't give a shit about any features apart from pic…
I'm actually very afraid of precisely that, because knowing the EU, they will want administrator access, to "combat misinformation and disinformation" and "monitor for extremism" of course. Nothing nefarious.
Before even the flawed STARTTLS was a thing, people wanting to have private communication over unencrypted email would simply exchange public keys and use PGP to create encrypted messages.
If E2E were not available for any reason whatsover, we could go back to that as necessary, though might lose some extra benefits of integrated E2E platforms like perfect forward secrecy (or maybe not; I'm not really up to date on my crypto).
With a standard and open protocol enforced, we could create a FOSS client that automatically pre-shares a public key and de/encrypts messages before sending them, so the UX would be much better than the awkwardness of early PGP.
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought email already did all of this
I forgot email. Even better, integrate messages with my email client and then they would all be in one place. Can't wait. Don't care how they are sent, just want to know if I write something to someone it gets there. Don't want random strangers to be able to write to me without my consent. That's my spec for the ideal setup.
I had a globally distributed family and WhatsApp was literally a life changer for me back in 2009/2010.
I'm sure other people in a similar position will also know what I'm talking about.
It was super lightweight, cheap, multiplatform - when I was interning in Singapore in 2012, I was able to stretch a 2MB pay as you go SIM plan over 2 months using WhatsApp over WAP on a Symbian iPhone.
There are few things I will be more loyal to.
Now, with my biases declared, I am genuinely open to understanding why SMTP/IMAP based chat didn't take off. I don't know much about the protocols but as you say, email should have solved this problem. But somehow it lacked that immediacy of instant messaging that made me feel that much more connected to my family halfway across the planet.
Maybe that's what it was - email delivered in 1-5 seconds is completely fine, but instant messaging needs to be delivered in under 500ms ideally.
Is there something about the email protocol that makes it slower due to some tradeoffs?
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#144There was a brief period of time where I was able to use IRC, Facebook and MSN from the same client: Pidgin https://pidgin.im/
Yes, I remember using Pidgin, awesome times.
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#145If everyone's messaging has to be compatible with everyone else's then maybe we will finally only need one messaging app on our phones again instead of 5. Sounds great. I just want to be able to send messages without thinking about which app I need to go into to communicate with a particular person; that really breaks my flow when I'm trying to get something done. I don't give a shit about any features apart from pic…
The solution I use to minimise this is Element One ( https://element.io/element-one ). This is a paid for service that operates bridges from Matrix to Signal, WhatsApp and Telegram. I then get to communicate with all those contacts in one place (I'm on Android so iMessage not a problem). I signed up the moment it came out and they had some teething reliability problems for a while, but it's been great for months now.…
I assume this means the Element One servers have access to the plaintext of my messages?
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's supported multiple timers for quite some, er, time. Try: "Hey Siri give me a 90 minute beef timer", "Hey siri give me a 25 minute chips timer"
Mine just seems to say "there's already a timer running, do you want to replace it?" Are we both talking about iPhone Siri?
iPhone Siri doesn’t. HomePod/watch Siri does.
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh that's interesting! I'm using HomePods, how odd that iPhone Siri doesn't do multiple timers... It can work headlessly, so my guess is they've not bothered to write a UI for multiple timers on iOS... weird move
From what I recall, only HomePods support multiple timers... it's aggravating.
Watch does too.
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#148Europes biggest export: regulations Europe: a museum with regulations
Another way of seeing it is that Europe maintains a standard of living high enough, that US companies are interested in the European user base. Then the EU is legitimate in demanding whatever for access to that market. I find nothing wrong with that.
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#149If everyone's messaging has to be compatible with everyone else's then maybe we will finally only need one messaging app on our phones again instead of 5. Sounds great. I just want to be able to send messages without thinking about which app I need to go into to communicate with a particular person; that really breaks my flow when I'm trying to get something done. I don't give a shit about any features apart from pic…
You don't care about any features, apart from the features you care about. Just like everyone else.
Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)
#150There was a brief period of time where I was able to use IRC, Facebook and MSN from the same client: Pidgin https://pidgin.im/
Adding to that Pidgin has a nice plugin called OTR that enables E2EE regardless of the platform/transport being used. OTR exists for Weechat [1] as well.