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> Are relativity effects significant on the moon? Yes, as the article states, clocks run faster on the Moon. About 56 microseconds per day. Be that as it may, as far as I know, Newtonian gravity was sufficient for the moon landings. So I'm guessing this is more of a coordination issue between countries than a necessity for trajectories or such.

Forgive me my ignorance but does that mean that you age at a different speed at the moon compared to earth ?

Technically yes - but the difference amounts to 2 seconds per century. Your lunar clone would be younger than you, but the difference would be less time than you spent calculating the difference.

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Ireland and Malta are two EU members where English is one of the official languages.

But they picked Irish and Maltese ad their "EU must support it" language, since English was already there. When Brexit was looming there was a bit of a scare that when the UK was gone English would no longer be supported. But luckily the EU institutions were not insane.

Ireland would change their request if it comes to it, because practically nobody speaks Irish

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Sending good vibes to the engineers who will have to add Moon time support to the Java DateTime class.

Microsoft Excel will be the first to implement it.

"That's a nice looking number you got there... wouldn't it be a shame if I were to convert it to MOON TIME!"

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I am a proponent of a Martian timekeeping system where each day has 24 hours 39 minutes and 35.244 seconds and all the rest of time units have standard lengths. For example, at midnight your martian clock would show the time as 24:39:35 for a fraction of a second, then wound back to 00:00:00. The calendar then would track the Earth calendar as close as possible, with shortened months to accommodate for the longer day…

Wouldn't that get incredibly confusing with the calendar always being slightly off, despite using the same names? At that point why not just stick to a integer day count for the date. Having a non-integer number of hours in a day might also get confusing. It would be near-impossible to make an analog clock, for example, and stuff like dividing up a day into three shifts would be really cumbersome. For day-to-day life…

> It would be near-impossible to make an analog clock, for example,

Why would that be an issue? You still have the hours hand make a full rotation in one period, and you make markings at each hour. You just have separate markings at 24 o'clock and 0 o'clock.

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> There are also technical issues to consider. Clocks run faster on the moon than on Earth, gaining about 56 microseconds each day, the space agency said. Further complicating matters, ticking occurs differently on the lunar surface than in lunar orbit.

At first this sounded like they were describing a mechanical issue with analog clocks, but they're not: time on the moon actually moves this much faster relative to Earth because Earth's gravity warps time more than the moon's does.

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In the military, there is Zulu (+0 UTC/GMT) and Juliet time ("my" time). Every report with times should always indicate the timezone (whether Z or J or otherwise), e.g. in NYC 2pm would be 1400Y. Any recent/current military folks want to comment?

Is there a different single letter per time zone band? That’s almost elegant if so (as long as you ignore the many places with idiosyncratic time zones).

I didn't know what a time zone band was, but I was able to find out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Zone_(band)

But seriously, in DST world, the numerical offsets (-6, ...) are confusing enough, adding yet another "simpler" notation would only increase confusion.

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I cannot imagine a world where "the norm" of human interaction would be with people in other times zones.

Huh? For me it is, and has been like that for a very long time. I work with various customers throughout the day, and they are in various different timezones. When I'm not working I almost daily interact with family, again different timezone. I am always aware of various timezones.

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I was so convinced .beats would take over the world (or solar system in this case). I had their watch, I installed their task-bar clock plugin for Windows 98, I harped on about it to my friends... a surprising number of which actually agreed it was a good idea. Then it just kinda fizzled out. I'm still upset it didn't take off.

I never heard of this before but now that I looked it up I think it's a good idea. People will probably still want to keep their local times but at least for coordinating international stuff we should have one standard time for the entire world. It's insane that we still have to look up how certain time zones correlate to our own local times for online meetings and such. This can all be improved. Remember back in the…

We already have that, it's UTC. And we don't need to learn a whole new system of time measurement to use it.

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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I would be happy if we got rid of timezones, got rid of daylight savings time, and got rid of 12 hour clocks.

Without timezones, you need a lookup table for what daylight hours are for every location on earth. For convenience, rather than publishing a table for every latitude/longitude, let's group these locations along geographical borders nearby to longitude lines. We can call these grouping "zones", or in more broad contexts, "time zones."

Hang on a second...

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