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EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Misleading headline. This affects many apps and is much broader. In fact, this line from the article is far more serious: “Apple, for instance, will also need to contend with a reported requirement to allow side-loading of apps outside of its App Store, something it's spent years fighting internationally”.

I'm wondering what the people who say that no sideloading is a feature have to say now.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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The basic message from EU to innovators is: don't bother. If you manage to create a successful business out of your innovation we will punish you. You created an advanced easy to use connector for your line of phones? Fuck you, you have to change it to a plug that came later and has a different set of trade offs that may not align with your product. You created a messaging service that was way ahead of its time, and…

If your business model relies on vendor lockin then yes, please don't bother.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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> Just in time to replace that broken Siri oooh that would be awesome. I'm at a point where I only use it for timers and it even gets that wrong sometimes "I created an alarm named Timer for 01:30am".. oh yeah I can't just say "timer one hour thirty" because Siri hates British people and parses the numbers wrong lmao. Also can we get multiple timers yet? Why is a device more powerful than the computer we used to send…

It's supported multiple timers for quite some, er, time. Try: "Hey Siri give me a 90 minute beef timer", "Hey siri give me a 25 minute chips timer"

Mine just seems to say "there's already a timer running, do you want to replace it?"

Are we both talking about iPhone Siri?

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Competition drives innovation, believe it or not. Leveraging bundling to avoid having software compete on their individual merits 1:1 with competitors is not good for innovation

Yes that’s why all of the successful tech companies come out of the EU…

A fact that is not related to the discussion.

There have been no laws towards fostering competition within walled gardens in either the US or EU until now.

Apple had no app store competition until now. Do you contend the app store will not see material improvements in the future now that it finally has within bundle competition?

Why has Apple suddenly started investing so heavily in Safari over the past year, now that they will soon be forced to allow competing browsers?

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

#105

My concern is that this nice-sounding policy is ultimately a backdoor for removing as much encryption and protection of data as possible.

It could well be, remember the state (police) have the monopoly on the evidence gathering process for criminal prosecutions. I sometimes think the fictional authoring skills of the Police is highly under estimated, certainly their criminal ingenuity and sexual depravity as undercover cops is all state sanctioned.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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If everyone's messaging has to be compatible with everyone else's then maybe we will finally only need one messaging app on our phones again instead of 5. Sounds great. I just want to be able to send messages without thinking about which app I need to go into to communicate with a particular person; that really breaks my flow when I'm trying to get something done. I don't give a shit about any features apart from pic…

I thought email already did all of this

Exactly! And now messaging can work exactly like it!

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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If everyone's messaging has to be compatible with everyone else's then maybe we will finally only need one messaging app on our phones again instead of 5. Sounds great. I just want to be able to send messages without thinking about which app I need to go into to communicate with a particular person; that really breaks my flow when I'm trying to get something done. I don't give a shit about any features apart from pic…

I thought email already did all of this

I forgot email. Even better, integrate messages with my email client and then they would all be in one place. Can't wait. Don't care how they are sent, just want to know if I write something to someone it gets there. Don't want random strangers to be able to write to me without my consent. That's my spec for the ideal setup.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Yes that’s why all of the successful tech companies come out of the EU…

A fact that is not related to the discussion. There have been no laws towards fostering competition within walled gardens in either the US or EU until now. Apple had no app store competition until now. Do you contend the app store will not see material improvements in the future now that it finally has within bundle competition? Why has Apple suddenly started investing so heavily in Safari over the past year, now tha…

Apple has plenty of competition for their product that includes an App Store. If you don’t like their product, you’re free to get an Android device like 85% of the rest of the world and 2/3rd of the EU.

Re: EU will require Apple to open up iMessage (2022)

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Being locked into Facebooks app vs. Apple's app isn't such a great positive now, is it?

Definitely not, we got lured into it by the original WA owners under (later) false pretenses. Back when we would just pay a euro one time, or every year with a big focus on privacy. Now it's just everywhere, helpdesks, schools, classes, parents, sportsclubs. All WA groups sadly. We even have this: [0], like it's some government sanctioned platform. Disgusting. I am getting more and more people into Signal though. Som…

Hey, my neighborhood also has a sign like that! The WhatsApp dominance is the network effect in full force. I have WhatsApp, SMS, Signal, Telegram, Element/Matrix. Telegram is used just for some nerdy international group and the API from my smart oower meter, the rest is WhatsApp only.
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