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Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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If you really want to annoy an English person, use an American flag to represent English-language localization

"English (Traditional) vs English (Simplified)" (joke explanation: this is a reference to the two Chinese writing systems, used in PRC and Taiwan)

en_US would actually be closer to English (Traditional) than en_UK, if linguists are to believe.

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If the EU won’t bite the bullet and just adopt English as the official language, there’s no way they’re pinning this to Greenwich time

Having English as the official language of the EU when England isn’t in the EU would be quite funny.

How so? The US also uses English and not Lakota or some (or multiple) native American languages.

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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We should rename English to "European" while we're at it, or "Standard".

If you really want to annoy an English person, use an American flag to represent English-language localization

EUs English guidelines emphasized en_UK because that used to be the main audience to whom texts should be unambiguous. That requirement is no longer there, so en_EU (which defacto exists, although it has many variations) might now officially move closer to en_US, since that is what most cultural exposure is to for those to whom English is not a first language (i.e. almost everyone in the EU).

I therefore propose a half EU/half US flag pictogram to refer to English from now on.

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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The worst problem with timezones IMO is that they are way too big [1], compared to what they should be if the world were equally divided into 24 hour "strips". Europe for example has CET which stretches all the way west to Spain, despite UTC+1 ending somewhere along the French-German border - so Spain and France are 1 hour "ahead" despite not needing to. [1] https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

I'd say that the biggest problem with time zones is that most people confuse them with time offsets (which unfortunately is what you are doing). A time zone is a geographical area. That area can run on different time offsets - "times". So the UK runs on UTC in winter, and UTC+1 in summer. It's wrong to think of the UK as being in the "UTC time zone". This may seem pedantic, but the confusion causes real problems with…

> I'd say that the biggest problem with time zones is that most people confuse them with time offsets (which unfortunately is what you are doing).

The problem is, say, I have a colleague in Spain. I ask him for a meeting today at 0800 CET, which for him means sunrise was at 0746, while I in Munich have had sunrise and got woken up by the cats at 0652.

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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I am a proponent of a Martian timekeeping system where each day has 24 hours 39 minutes and 35.244 seconds and all the rest of time units have standard lengths. For example, at midnight your martian clock would show the time as 24:39:35 for a fraction of a second, then wound back to 00:00:00. The calendar then would track the Earth calendar as close as possible, with shortened months to accommodate for the longer day…

I think it would be better to have two separate clocks, one tracking solar time with arbitrarily defined beginning, one UTC. Both would rollover after 23:59:59.

It's easier to explain that a second on Mars is longer because it's spinning slower than all the quirks of rollover at an seemingly random value.

The meaning of seasons on Mars would evolve with how we understand the impact of martian weather on daily life. Try to explain winter to someone living all his life on the equator.

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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I would be happy if we got rid of timezones, got rid of daylight savings time, and got rid of 12 hour clocks.

With timezones: * I want to call my friend in Germany. What time is it for her? I guess I'm UTC-7 and she's UTC+1, so she's 8 hours ahead of me. I know that everybody around the world typically wakes up between 6 and 9 AM and goes to sleep between 8 PM and midnight, and she's an early bird, so she should be awake. * They said the meeting was going to be at 8 o'clock, but they are in a different time zone, did they me…

Every time I see someone propose scrapping timezones, they end up in one of two traps. Either unilaterally dictating that Australia, NZ, etc become fully nocturnal - or they end up re-inventing timezones with a different name.

Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone

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Sending good vibes to the engineers who will have to add Moon time support to the Java DateTime class.

Can't wait for Martian Time support Then Java will have to support days longer than 24 hours.

Earth days are longer than 24 hours (when daylight-savings "falls back")
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